Freelancer - The Void

guys realy how menny of you`s use lasers    . i only use lasers i was GUTTED at last update with the lasers now i here you`s are there mine be more changese  %-(  you`s that do not use them are spoiling it for some pll in the game. I was in efz last night was about 10 there and there was only 2 youing lasers...........

I did say the replacements are going to be almost identical to the Nomad lasers... As for lasers before the previous update, they were simply overpowered. Or didn't you happen to notice that no other fighter weapons had a projectile speed of 1200 m/s? That's not exactly fair :) You might not like it that they were rebalanced, because you used them exclusively, but hey, if you change something, there are always people who aren't happy with the changes. (Yeah, I know at least one person who wasn't happy with the Phantom having been nerfed :P)

This time around, however, sniper weapons are not going to be significantly changed. (On the contrary, you also get some turrets.)

Oh noez stuff will be nerfed!  :-SS  :-SS Oh noez stuff will be buffed!  :-SS  :-SS  :D  :D

The only problem I have with the whole "Nomad on Nomad ships only" idea is this: Many people have spent countless hours and money to adjust thier reps to nomad friendly to get these weapons (In my case mostly CD's and Mines" only to have them ripped away with no compensation for them at all. We worked hard to get them but nothing in return but "go buy something else" The Hornet, while a nice CD does not compare to the Nomand CD in terms of performance and let us not forget ammo. Some places you can't get ammo for the Hornet CD.

I do like the concept here, don't get me wrong. I just thing the people that invested so much (many more than me) to get this tech should have had some compensation if they were going to have superior weapons that they EARNED the right to buy ripped from them only to be told to replace them with inferior stuff.

Will the replacement weaposn have the same power usage? Or will the the "Human" factions develop thier own "ammo less" CD's or mines to provide a level playing field? I doubt it.

That is my say on the matter and I will not likley comment further. I know I will just be rolled over by the masses anyway lol.

Ezerharden wrote:Or will the the "Human" factions develop thier own "ammo less" CD's or mines to provide a level playing field? I doubt it.

'Level the playing field'? Can I assume you're aware that this works in reverse, and that any ship capable of mounting Nomad exclusive equipment can't be equipped with human technology?

Will the Nomads be getting an equivalent weapon for every human one that exists, do you suppose?
However you look at it, flying a Nomad ship (apart from the N1) will drastically limit one's options in terms of equipment. There has to be some incentive to fly one or hardly anyone would bother.

I have a question: what further compensation would you like? No, I'm not being sarcastic here. As far as I know, Rim programmed the script which deleted the equipment to refund what was removed with credits. It's just that nobody paid attention to this, as pretty much everything that was removed from the players' ships cost around 200k-250k credits. Besides that, do you have any suggestions about what more should've been done?

And um. "Countless hours and money"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it can be done with a reasonably well-equipped ship in two hours or so, starting from the default hostile rep. (And if you have someone helping you who's already friendly with the Nomads, then in around ten minutes.)
Also, "EARNED the right"? I'm sorry? Playing here is free of charge.

As for ammoless cd, and especially mines... I did bring up the idea of making a replacement to Rim, to see if he thought we should (I don't), but we agreed that ammoless projectiles are in general a bad idea. Since the nomad cd is quite useless for killing incoming missiles/torpedoes, it's not exactly superior, so people won't be hurt that much by there being no human replacement for them. The majority use Wasps/Hornets for pvp anyway. Now, for ammoless mines, all they did was to introduce an element of luck in pvp as everyone put them on auto and spammed the field with them, and (since they're seeking weapons) increase the server load as well. You'll have to forgive us for not making a human replacement for a weapon that, to be honest, is quite unfair to begin with. (However, as Crescendo has said, that same unfairness does provide some incentive for using Nomad stuff.)

As for the replacement weapons and their characteristics, read my earlier posts please.

That having been said, don't forget that the things you mentioned weren't completely removed. The equipment is still there for sale at Nomad ports, and your rep with the Nomads is still the same as before (you didn't lose it!), so nothing's stopping you from purchasing a Nomad ship if you want to keep using Nomad equipment. You just lost an ability that shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Nomad Blasters and Cannons then?

I believe that Draugr is cooking up a replacement for them as well

I wouldn't say it's the money that people feel they've missed out on (even though they haven't), it's the fact that they had something there that they liked and were used to, only for it to just disappear.

I used those nomad lasers for years just to have them gooped away.

What brought you on the idea anyway, this aint a RP server

[quote="anoyingnomad";p="222226"]I used those nomad lasers for years just to have them gooped away.

What brought you on the idea anyway, this aint a RP server[/quote]

He put in a replacement, if you bothered to read the whole post maybe you would notice. I rather think they are overpowered compared to other Class 9 guns.

[quote="cmdrsaman";p="222182"]I have a question: what further compensation would you like? No, I'm not being sarcastic here. As far as I know, Rim programmed the script which deleted the equipment to refund what was removed with credits. It's just that nobody paid attention to this, as pretty much everything that was removed from the players' ships cost around 200k-250k credits. Besides that, do you have any suggestions about what more should've been done?

And um. "Countless hours and money"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it can be done with a reasonably well-equipped ship in two hours or so, starting from the default hostile rep. (And if you have someone helping you who's already friendly with the Nomads, then in around ten minutes.)
Also, "EARNED the right"? I'm sorry? Playing here is free of charge.

As for ammoless cd, and especially mines... I did bring up the idea of making a replacement to Rim, to see if he thought we should (I don't), but we agreed that ammoless projectiles are in general a bad idea. Since the nomad cd is quite useless for killing incoming missiles/torpedoes, it's not exactly superior, so people won't be hurt that much by there being no human replacement for them. The majority use Wasps/Hornets for pvp anyway. Now, for ammoless mines, all they did was to introduce an element of luck in pvp as everyone put them on auto and spammed the field with them, and (since they're seeking weapons) increase the server load as well. You'll have to forgive us for not making a human replacement for a weapon that, to be honest, is quite unfair to begin with. (However, as Crescendo has said, that same unfairness does provide some incentive for using Nomad stuff.)

As for the replacement weapons and their characteristics, read my earlier posts please.

That having been said, don't forget that the things you mentioned weren't completely removed. The equipment is still there for sale at Nomad ports, and your rep with the Nomads is still the same as before (you didn't lose it!), so nothing's stopping you from purchasing a Nomad ship if you want to keep using Nomad equipment. You just lost an ability that shouldn't have been there in the first place.[/quote]

I'd rather have that ''replacement''gun instead of cash, sorry. lots of my chars now doomed to get a rep with no guns lol.

I just want to fight. Who cared anyway that nomad guns were on human ships? This aint an RP server as i stated earlier.

I'd rather have that ''replacement''gun instead of cash, sorry. lots of my chars now doomed to get a rep with no guns lol.

I just want to fight. Who cared anyway that nomad guns were on human ships? This aint an RP server as i stated earlier.

I have no sympathy for you if you fitted ALL your ships with nomad guns. Besides when everyone runs around with Nomad Lasers its just boring, because you encounter the same damn thing everywhere and there is not much skills if you do not fight anything that you have to adapt to fight.

What the HELL do you have to say about that? You don't even play!

@ Endymion: you'll be able to get the replacement guns as well. Unless you somehow managed to be hostile to all the lawful and unlawful factions that are going to sell them. But even if you had, then you'd surely be neutral with the Nomads and could then buy the Nomad lasers for a Nomad ship.

By the way, the idea of making Nomad equipment mountable on Nomad ships wasn't originally mine, but it worked, and if we were to do that, then we were to do it all the way, no?
And I've no idea why some people are talking as if the Nomad stuffs are going away. No equipment is going to be removed and unavailable for purchase.

As for the rest, this was supposed to be an RP post that has by now gone way offtopic (and OORP :)) Could someone lock it please?