Freelancer - The Void

The reason I created this post was to get players talking about the server and what can be changed for the better and I am so glad that it has taken off again and players are expressing their opinions.

It really frustrates me to see that not one admin has bothered to post in here and get involved in this discussion.  Christ, even admin from another server are pitching in.  We need to shake up the rules both rp wise and other.  We need something fresh and something new.  

I just want this serever to last as long as it possibly can and grow in popularity.  

Comunication between Strail and Admin to ourselves has been appaling.  Where are our updates with real time scales as to mods etc.  I know this sounds quite harsh but we need answers to what is happening.  

Cheers, Blackheart.

Lol, Shonen's post emmanates exactley the kind of negative attitude i was talking about.

And i don't understand why you're butthurt over this,you seem to be taking it personally.


Veterans this and veterans that, HELLOOO, it's a game,it shouldnt matter who has played most here,the thing that should matter is the enviroment.A fun hate-free enviroment.How can that be achieved when everyone tosses their ego arround? And the enviroment ain't fun when all you hear are MOANS,ACCUSATIONS, ACID REMARKS,and n00bish comments after each kill.


The way i see things,there will be no winners from these endless debates,and in the end,one side will walk. And that will not be good for the server.


Verry mature attitude "let's see who stops first" lol. Tell you what,we will ALL stop when the server gets killed by arrogant/childish attitudes and elitism. Some people should get over themselves,really. Stop the drama,stop the QQ-ing...

I've also seen those with the "holier than thout" attitude that preach on the forums about kindness,honor and respect,and in-game they become the lowest of the low.


But enough of my rant, i wouldnt want to hurt some egos.

Well I agree with that mod and whole server needs something new, some freshness. I think Liman said it properly, basically we have been playing same mod for more than 2 years, may be almost 3. We haven't got some bigger changes, lets count it: 3D systems, battleships that causing still some problems and few more tricky additional things, one new ship? But the core of 2112 is still here. And I don't mean 2112 was a bad mod, no..it was great mod and so is current version but even it's good it's not that ''attracting'' anymore for players. I guess this is one of the aspects why players are leaving from the server. Simply they got bored from stuff they've been playing so long. May be changing the core of mod would be helpful in this situation.

Another thing, FL is an old game, everyone knows that. I'd say, more people are leaving than coming to game. That's the fact and we must deal with it.

Well to compare Discovery RP server with Void, like it's been already said here, Void has always been shooter server with some RP but playing RP here always forced players to fight finally, like trader taxed by pirate so navy came and here we go, combat again. Anyway this mod was built for combat, I've never seen better balanced mod for PvP than the Void, not hundreds of unbalanced ships and mix of stuff that is useless. Nope Void isn't about this. Now Discovery, well in my opinion these guys aren't interested in PvP, when I tried it, seeing PvP death message was a rare. Now they're getting the biggest numbers of players ever, and this is why I'm starting to think about what really happened with whole FL community in last year or so. It seems majority players of FL aren't interested in PvP anymore don't you think ? They want to play this game differently, not just like a shooting simulator, well seems they have found it on Disco. Only mostly combat  server that left in good activity is vanilla HC. Then comes Void.

Well these are my thoughts, may be I'm wrong, but I'm just trying to ''find'' some facts and reasons why is this all happening to Void in last year or so.

[quote="shonensan";p="201502"]
Old players are gone now, it's up to the new ones to bring the void at the top but they don't seem to be able to do that...
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The "new" players are not able to bring void at the top because of some veterans:when a veteran like you kills a newbie without any trouble you call him noob or you make jokes about him,when he use a setup that u don't like you call him idiot,when they try to make role play you guys make ss for abuse and they are baned or insulted,when those noobs says "hi" to you,you guys are ignoring them...and of course some of them can't ignore that and they start to make insults or act incorect...and show begins.You are not respecting the newbies,so they don't like you too.

Old players were humans,the new ones are humans too.You must learn them or at least let them  to become veterans,not insult them.Old players were newbies too at first,but they were newbies when you were a newbie too and you evolved togheter,thats why you consider them perfect.

Please can we get away from arguing.  I like a heated debate as much as anybody but I want to try and keep this constructive.  Again this seems to revolving around Shonen and his attitude, so I would ask that Shonen,you either keep it on topic and be constructive or you butt out and let the rest of us get on with this.


Cheers.

Disco admins.
The day I leave void will be the day they pull the plug. The day I join your server will be the day I pull out both my eyes with a corkscrew and pour rock salt into the open wounds.

You dont have a game there. You have a dictorship where no one is allowed to think for themselves or be creative or think outside the box. Your rules tell people what to do when to do it and how to do it.

Yes you have a server of 100+ but you have a server full of unthinking puppets all singing to the tune you devise.
Void has seen and still has some of the best pvpers in the world on both sides, navy and Evil nothing on your server can match our players for skill, inginuity and sheer individuality.

Tbh I think you have a brazzen aurdaicty to come here and start mouthing off about void, a server that has been top of the FL servers for years and years, a server that has seen and will see again the freedom to be and play as the game was made for.
Take note.
The game is FREElancer
not DICTATORlancer.

Now with all due respect please jog along, and stick your advertizments where the sun doesnt shine.
Sorry to sound rude but your sitting there dissing a server ive played on for nigh on 5 years.


[quote="Blazefury";p="204319"]
The way i see things,there will be no winners from these endless debates,and in the end,one side will walk. And that will not be good for the servr[/quote]

Yes you are 100 percent correct, you are so close to the truth you all dont know it, in fact your tetering on the edge of the abyss right now, soon and mark my words, Very soon there wont be an evil clan left on void, except the one or two - 2 man clans on here.

Let me ask you what I asked blaze a couple of nights ago, in a serious 1 -1 with an intelligent player.

I can no longer fly my favorite ship or the guns i like, because its big and it gets Cd'd to a standstill when anymore than 4 people get on it. Is that fair? is that sportmanship? or is that my own fault for carrying an Evil tag?.
Now if you can ask yourself this, If you went into every fight, and after 20 or 30 seconds you could no longer move your ship, let alone fight back what would you think?. How would you feel? now im taking totally unable to move, not just losing your EK but everytime you start your stopped.
It isnt funny, it isnt pleasant, it isnt "just the game" its total BS. Its like going to do a marathon and finding out some ejit has tied your shoelaces together at the start line.

And after a few tests this week ive found a very very unpleasant thing about void. If i make my pc lag, guess what? Cds dont hit me. Yes you heard me, if I stream music and run MSN and Xfire 90 percent of Cds dont touch me. What does that mean? well that means for us with good connections get raped by cds while the people with poor connections can spam then forever and take nothing back in return.

So in reality its no wonder people keep saying " oh your just moaning blah blah blah" If I could Id invite every single on of you to my house, give you my chair and my desk and say here, try this, see how u get on.

So at the end of the day carry on, carry on blaming only one side, posting more and more because not only do you outnumber us in the game you aslo do on the forums, but Ill tell you this one last time, if you listen thats upto you if you dont, I dont care either, Ill fly untagged.

You are on the brink, you are standing on the edge of the cliff looking down at the drop, theres bloody sharp rocks at the bottom, you wont survive the fall.

Piracy is dead
R's are almost exctint - in fact 80 percent of the ones that fly - fly for the navy attacking the Evils
Evil clans are this close, ]-[ to fading out too. Even Black Legion is struggling and in serious danger of collapsing ( although Z might not thank me for saying it, it has to be said ) Then who will you fight and Rp with?.

Its your server.
Its your choice.
Its your future.


TC
Ent

I think that we also need a way of keeping the new players on these forums and registered, sharing their ideas and getting the news etc etc. Most of the players that aren't in a clan and keep relatively to themselves never get to see these forums, and therefore never get to share their opinion on the Mod, the server and the gameplay. They also never get to see what is going on, and are left in the dark about important rule changes etc etc. If a new mod came out and one day they suddenly couldn't connect to the server using the old one, how would they know?

I also bring this up because Albert from [AoF] recently recruited two new players to the [AoF][X] wing, and so far I have seen no introductions in our forums, no activity in game, nothing. Two players that were obviously interested in actively playing on the Void just disappeared. And I think if they had access to the [AoF] forums and the Void forums, they may still be here (or not wherever they are).

Ent,you know i carry a deep respect for you, for your age,they way you think,and your great PvP skills. It's no secret.

If it's one player that i trully feel sorry for having to put up with this much frustration ,that person is you. You trully deserve to be able to have fun on the server.

But i think you may be a tad pessimistic. It never hurts to hope y'know?

There are hard times,there are good times,the important thing is for the community to stick together.

BOTH sides! BOTH good and evil. Just for one day guys,a single day,forget anything,and play for the sake of it. Even if it's not fun,try to suck it up from time to time.


Now i know some of you must be really fed up, i would be as well, the amosphere is not that pleasant on the server after all. I honestly tried to be a decent player. Im no saint, but i tried to GF each time after a fight, i flew an Anubis with Anni setup since i started playing here 2 months ago, i NEVER mounted a missile on my ship, i rarely use CD's or Torps during a fight..

I do have the will, but it is frustrating me for as well, when my benevolence gets screwed over by childish,rude and mean behaviours.

Why?

Simply because i have the "sin" of flying a certain clan tag.

And hell,everyone is like that. We all treat each other as a clan,not individually. It's Black Legion this,or Dacia that and the like. I cant remember when was the last time someone called me by my nickname instead of my clan tag.

Eh,yes i know,another useless rant,but hey, who knows,from all our ramblings something good might come out in the end.


Fact is,we can do many things to improve the server,we just are either too lazy,ignorant or uncaring to do so. Oh,and let's not forget arrogance.

Anyway,Ent, i am always up for a duel. There is no better stress relief than to bash my head in. And you know that

Bring the old Conq, and let's have some nice fights next time you see me arround in Sparta. We should remember the meaning of "fun" and good clean pvp.

At no point did I dis your server, I'd like to see Void back at the top, Disco is a hardcore PvP server, and we get a lot of folks who would fit in a lot better here than they do over there. Advertising is pointless, why would we want to steal your players? From the attitudes and comments displayed here most of you wouldn't fit in, Discovery is simply not what you folks are after, that's fine. If we all wanted the same thing then we'd all be pretty damn boring.

Your server isn't dead, that much is obvious but neither is it packed with life and looking healthy.

Also one of the critical points I mentioned was newbies. I cannot stress enough how BAD Discovery is towards newbies. We once had The Angels for helping them out, getting them started, answering questions, all that jazz but they have fallen by the wayside in recent months. If you folks do have that sort of thing, please use it to it's fullest abilites. I'd give my left arm for The Angels to be working properly. We'd probably have less sanction happy folks. So far from everyhting I've seen Void has much greater potential to be far better at handling it's newbies than we are. Our veteran core is so entrenched on how they think things should be they aren't willing to accept new opinions and ideas. Which sucks. Yeah we do have folks that would rather print screen and send in a report and it sucks, minor transgressions are punished by the player base without even a word to try and get some explanation. As Admins we are obliged to deal with anything that comes across our desk, it's written in the rules and our code of conduct. And yes, it can and frequently does suck.

Discovery isn't better than Void. From my personal opinion it is, because Discovery is what I want out of Freelancer.  But, in general, it is neither better nor worse.

Oh and back to the Advertising, I don't want to steal your players, but you can come to our forums, advertise YOUR server there and steal some of ours.  A comprehensive description of Void, should get some of our less comfortable players over here to a server they would feel happier playing.

It's all about community, Discovery, Void and Hamburg are pretty much the only servers that can muster more than 50 players at a single sitting. We should be working together to try and make sure we are all providing what folks want in different packages and trying to get the right folks to the right servers. Hamburg is pure PvP as far as  I recall, Void is RP-Light and Discovery is RP-Heavy. Void should be getting the players who fit in best here instead of Discovery getting all these folks who want exactly what it is Void offers.

So please do come over, ADVERTISE on our forums. There's space for it and you are welcome to. We want you to. And I'll refrain from posting here unless I'm asked to.

(And no, I don't want you to have our idiots. Our idiots shouldn't be given to anyone, ever.)

[quote="shonensan";p="204261"]I like this...

All you guys pointing at veterans without looking at yourselves.

You say stop call players laggers, spammers and so on but you ever thought to stop spamming, lagging on purpose, cheating for scoring a kill? You ever ask yourself why a veteran tells you to stop spamming? You ever ask yourself if you take away the fun from players spamming them to death?
Yes its easy to accuse others without looking at yourself.

I ask myself why players uses anything they can use to kill other players without putting the slightly effort to try to learn something about pvping like everyone 2 years ago did. I ask myself why they do that...why they want to win at all cost?
You say missiles are fun i use them...well it aint fun for the guy spammed. It aint fun...so start thinking about the others too and not only about yourself...THIS is what made players leave the server...wait i don't mean common players, this made leave veteran players, cool players, players that really enjoied playing here.

I just wonder why 2 years ago every players , even noobs, did abide to some unwritten rules made to keep fights FAIR! Fair fights guys. Yes.

You say that veterans dont give good example to players...well tell me what they have to do when noobs don't listen to what they think is good for everyone...i tell you what, its just a waste of time dealing with players that don't want to listen. Veteran alway said what it is best to do or not because they got through all of this and if you aren't listening well then don't moan about how they act after being completely ignored.

Yes i say pop every time i kill a player because talking to these guys is useless...you just do what you want to do? Then i'll do what i want to do. Let's see who will give up first. But i already know the answer.

And let's not talk about players that don't know sh** about pvp calling cheaters the veterans because they can't kill them...i mean its incredible, players just come here thinking to be the best pvper of the server without counting the fact that some player here plays on this mod from the beginning...

Veterans aren't the one who ruined this mod...and you know it, everyone who was here knows it.

So jog along and keep playing like you want to play, i'll do the exact same thing.

Pimms[/quote]

Your an arrogant little such and such and i really can't stand you....I avoid playing with you because you are what is wrong with games like this.

I know I don't play atm, but I feel I have to answer when there is a question of what we can do for the server. These are just my views on things and they might not satisfy everyone (But can we satisfy everyone?)

the player number here might be low atm, but when I came here it was also low, then it went up and now it has gone down a bit again.

Shonen, mate, the time when they vets ruled the server is gone unfortunately, I have always wished I could experience those days, but they are gone. The old ways is being torn down and replaced by the new times and players. As you said the new ones are the ones to bring this server to glory. Though I must admit mate in the Quote Pand0r has you sound a bit like an old grand dad missing the old times when the children were doing as their parents told them But you are also a vet which I hold great respect towards. I have seen you fighting, I have seen you typing and I must admit  that even though aren't as you wish you still play and don't let the server down. This counts for all the veterans that still play here. You don't let the server down, not that the ones who have left have let it down.

No Pand0r Players and People like Shonen is not what is wrong with these games. They say exactly what they mean and what they want others to know. They were, often, the first players who played at the time when everything was new. they are the vets and they are the old ones: Norwegian saying: de gamle vet best which means that the old ones have much more experience than you. Even though you might not want to hear what they say they will say it. Oh another: Only by watching history can you prevent it from happening in the future.

Okay, what can we do? I suggest the following:
1. Stop the moaning, whining and accusations that fly around here and there.
2. Fighting fair, no I am not saying that it always should be 1v1s, but maybe we could at least stop ganging each other (Both sides do it, and both sides needs to stop) If you see that there are 4v1 or 4v2 or 5v2 think before you jump into a fight.
3. Accept that someone likes to fight one way compared to another (not thinking of those who lag on purpose, as Ent said that doesn't not make for fair fights since CDs miss and etc...
4. let's all try to have fun. having a genuine hate towards someone virtually is NEVER EVER something good.
5. don't put everyone in the same because they are in the same clan. Even though you don't like some of them doesn't make all of them the same way. Hello Blaze

Regards Loken
this server is the best it has always been, at least in my eyes.

and to end:
I would like to say thank you to the Dacia members who we had to follow through Gamma, Theta, Sigma 13-17 and 19 a couple of weeks ago.
I am so tired of fighting in Sparta all the time. I think some location variation is required  
And Hello Dico Admin, I tried your server and liked Void better, if you have anyone you know  who would like it better here to feel free to suggest it for them

Well i have to say this-
This is becoming pointless,we are going round and round in circles reaching nowhere.

I will ask 2 simple questions-
Where is Strail?

Can anybody, say Vector-X, the guy i think is closest to Strail among the Admins,respond to this or any other top Admin take a review of the general situation here in Void and brainstorm and take decisions to arrest the decline?


Utter confusion...that is why i say Sever Staff needs to be strengthened,in absence of Strail- Who Is The Boss? ? (All we have is staff from other servers coming here,slapping us here on the face with a pile load of criticism and ordinary Voidians are left to debate here!!)

@Ent-You are bang on target.

Revive piracy and half the problems of Void will be over.

@Space-Again right.

@Savage-Right.
The communication between Strail and other Admins is appalling.We are being kept in the dark,when will we know the new mod update can come out?Or anything else?

I will say this again,Server staff needs immediate strengthening,many new additions,properly defined roles,better communication with Strail,be more open and and send us updates or hints on the new mod or anything else.

I can name 5 guys in 5 seconds who in my view deserve to be Void Guards because of their contribution and most of all integrity.
How difficult can it be to regularly replace Server Staff?
One Admin becomes inactive,get a new one from the community,there will ALWAYS be someone who can fill in the shoes.
Sorry,Zeb,but i have to disagree with u,periodic revision of Server Staff once in every 2 years makes things MORE difficult when compared to regular replacement.

@cmdrsaman-

That is a very good comparison between Void and Disco.

Trading-
Yes trading is more interesting here in Void due to dynamic economy.But trust me as a trader it does become boring later on.Why?
A smart trader will mark out the basic routes,trade in one route and when prices stabilizes or equalize,shifts to another route.Hash,a very good trader,actually studies while trading,he has got all the time in the world.
Who is there to stop him?
Where are the pirates?

Piracy-
As said above needs big revival,it will bring back all the RP lost in Void.Void wasn't RP server,and will never be one,but piracy was big here with the likes of Vagu etc.

Everything from rules to RP being played in the mod,needs to favor piracy so that it can come back.

Pvp-
Yeah the level of the combat is higher here,but as u said it happened without any context here.
No RP,2 pilots like medieval knights politely ask each other-Wanna duel? here in Sparta.
Rogues have been found to do that.Can u believe it?

And why fight only in Sparta?

Zeus's idea is good-Have destructible clan bases,which will give meaning to clan NPCs,clans can buy wep platforms for their bases etc,that can be an incentive for fighters to move out of Sparta.

Th need of the hour is for the top bosses here in Void,to take stock of things here in Void,review and assess,brainstorm and come up with solutions and then reform.

Ordinary Voidians like us can go on,discussing various things but that will be pointless till concrete action is taken.


-Geromix

Geromix mate, if there would be someone to become a server guard it would be you. Atleast you want to take action against whats going on.

I'll try to do my part in the piracy stuff. I'll fly more frequent on my pirate char. I suggest other Voidans should do the same. And no dont sit in sparta. Go tax some players in Babylonia. Or other places were people trade.


It aint a big deal to help the void. Just moving out of sparta could already be a great thing to do.  Replace the alex gates again as well. As Pirates will tax there again, and the Navy must protect the traders. Here ya go, alot of RP getting involved again.