Freelancer - The Void

interesting i guess....and yes leading a clan is hard tho...already i am co-leader for ZON leading it in alphelion absence i kinda feel the pressure tho...but well think we are doing good now..we had new guys in =ZH= tags now..

Just one further comment, from voids rich history.

Long before many of the present clans were established there was HK. Vets will renember. HK was, at one point, by far the biggest clan on this server, and I was promoted to lead that clan at one point in history. If memory serves me right, we had almost 200 active players on void in that clan.

So, this is the pinnacle of clan development for some... I can tell you, it gets boring.  If half of the players online are from one clan, things start to get pointless. Besides, leading such a group is really a p in tne a, even if you have good sub-leaders like I had back then...
With more smaller clans, gama balance is much easier to keep. Too many pirates bother you? Ally with some of the lawfull clans.

To the point of "invisible " clan leaders, i tend to disagree. We leaders cant be there 24/7, you might be in a different time zone than me, but we all do play freelancer because we enjoy it. And most of us aren't simply power mongers.. leading is usualy more headache than anything else, trust me on that

Besides, with few big clans, you would see even less leaders online

well  80 % from me
and that is becouse that was proposed long time ago
The solution is that people can make clan to easily, and becouse of that they can not have standrard members and then they leave and make new clan
So proposition is that if you want to make clan you have to pay at least 7000000 - 1 bil  to admin
and have at least 7 members (all new acc not 1 man few chars) In that way  group of people must work for it and they will want to keep this clan alive
what will ADMIN  with this  $$ well for several events would be nice
and I will make a rule that all clans must make at least 1 EVENT in 2 months in their home system
Hm I think turets should bie switched on to hostile for all in Sparta again

LOL

The problem is not in having too many clans, the problem is... having too many servers!! SABOTAGE THEM!!! lol

Really, i voted 50% but i don't have much trouble with lots of clans coz they are easy to pick targets and means new blood (they can also call their friends too join their clans to make them stronger, maybe telling them what FL is lol). However I do understand that sometimes it's hard to know the RP of all clans and it feels tempting to have lesser clans but it's a mistake/illusion coz the problem isnt that one. As for merging clans... forget it. I wouldnt take part of it.

Propz!

[quote="Stoertebecker";p="149414"]Just one further comment, from voids rich history.

Long before many of the present clans were established there was HK. Vets will renember. HK was, at one point, by far the biggest clan on this server, and I was promoted to lead that clan at one point in history. If memory serves me right, we had almost 200 active players on void in that clan.

So, this is the pinnacle of clan development for some... I can tell you, it gets boring.  If half of the players online are from one clan, things start to get pointless. Besides, leading such a group is really a p in tne a, even if you have good sub-leaders like I had back then...
With more smaller clans, gama balance is much easier to keep. Too many pirates bother you? Ally with some of the lawfull clans.

To the point of "invisible " clan leaders, i tend to disagree. We leaders cant be there 24/7, you might be in a different time zone than me, but we all do play freelancer because we enjoy it. And most of us aren't simply power mongers.. leading is usualy more headache than anything else, trust me on that

Besides, with few big clans, you would see even less leaders online [/quote]

Damn... 200 players is a bit extreme and for that matter unrealistic in todays void. I dont think anyone wants one super clan... thats just stupid, we just want active clans that it... because once more whats more fun, playing with 35 inactive clans or 10 active ones. I cant totally understand all the votes for the first, your enemy clans are crippled and never seen in any kind of force at a time. same goes with your allies... its just so boring.

i agree 80% ...the problem is no1 know wtf kind of clan it is if u  see a tsf ftp rft hft ghg jsh.and a lot of ......must go out of game on site to see for what they stand .. good, evil or what??????
What can i say about mine group we r 6 ASSASSINS, 3 are very active but not in ASSASSIN chars ....if u need an asasin pm our speaker (me  :D ) and RP run
That for i agree 80%
And is another problem ppl on void become unfriendly and unhelpfull not even answear new guys questions, or not even tell them ask some1 else

[quote="Salgy";p="149380"]Nice Words Stoert !! Scream ON !  =D>  

I Remember Shonen`s Activity in this kind of Changes (or Revolution), and Result ?? I think he realised what is Void really about..  ;)

Hope you all know it too, so See ya in Space.[/quote]


I never stick my nose in such topics nor does (or did) any EU

but Salgado i have to say that what you ve just steadily reported is NOT correct at all

Shonen has NEVER wanted or ever dreamed to start "subversive activities" or a "revolution" in the way meant by this topic or by you

The only thing he proposed was instead to reduce the RP classes so that clans could have better grouped TOGETHER  to achieve common goals ! Any ipothetical clan reduction would have been a spontaneous consequence of that process

the RESULT was that, after those (very long) discussions, for a strange coincidence of the Faith, the events Coalition vs Alliance took place and they were a great success in terms of partecipation, enhancing the TRUE spirit of belonging to a community ....and YOU should ve realized he wasn t that wrong...

probably you got confused because Shonen has changed (and still does ) ALL clans on Void....with his true name or "under cover"... but

despite of his "revolution", in your opinion, such a subversive, dangerous person (one of the 3 best player on Void ever) who founded and is still the de-facto leader of a clan (the 13th in the list)...and who enjoys to try ANY clan in the community,  even the ones where he wasnt welcome...

...can EVER think to "shut down" clans ?!?

[quote="Lucky_Luciano";p="149491"][quote="Salgy";p="149380"]Nice Words Stoert !! Scream ON !  =D>  

I Remember Shonen`s Activity in this kind of Changes (or Revolution), and Result ?? I think he realised what is Void really about..  ;)

Hope you all know it too, so See ya in Space.[/quote]


I never stick my nose in such topics nor does (or did) any EU

but Salgado i have to say that what you ve just steadily reported is NOT correct at all

Shonen has NEVER wanted or ever dreamed to start "subversive activities" or a "revolution" in the way meant by this topic or by you

The only thing he proposed was instead to reduce the RP classes so that clans could have better grouped TOGETHER  to achieve common goals ! Any ipothetical clan reduction would have been a spontaneous consequence of that process

the RESULT was that, after those (very long) discussions, for a strange coincidence of the Faith, the events Coalition vs Alliance took place and they were a great success in terms of partecipation, enhancing the TRUE spirit of belonging to a community ....and YOU should ve realized he wasn t that wrong...

probably you got confused because Shonen has changed (and still does ) ALL clans on Void....with his true name or "under cover"... but

despite of his "revolution", in your opinion, such a subversive, dangerous person (one of the 3 best player on Void ever) who founded and is still the de-facto leader of a clan (the 13th in the list)...and who enjoys to try ANY clan in the community,  even the ones where he wasnt welcome...

...can EVER think to "shut down" clans ?!?[/quote]

Your basically my hero now....

sup pants, been a while:

Get on EFF ELL Knee Grow!!!1oen

Check it out like this.

Void is currently ranked number one in the global server list.

The voids top six clans (member wise) are ranked as such:

1. Orion: Rank 31

2. FTP: Rank 84

3. ESF: Rank 85

4. n*o: Rank 91

5. 4s_Squad: Rank 99

6. ZON: Rank 100

The most active server on the planet only has 6 clans within the top 100, and not a single one comes close to the top 10. Plus i gotta be honest with you, i hardly see most of those clans online in force (aside from the ESF at times) let alone the smaller clans.

[quote="Symbol";p="149534"]Check it out like this.

Void is currently ranked number one in the global server list.

The voids top six clans (member wise) are ranked as such:

1. Orion: Rank 31

2. FTP: Rank 84

3. ESF: Rank 85

4. n*o: Rank 91

5. 4s_Squad: Rank 99

6. ZON: Rank 100

The most active server on the planet only has 6 clans within the top 100, and not a single one comes close to the top 10. Plus i gotta be honest with you, i hardly see most of those clans online in force (aside from the ESF at times) let alone the smaller clans.[/quote]

there was a time when some of  VOID were in top 10 many in top 100 but then VOID 2112 came out and player wipe
that is the answer  for that

@ Symbol - "Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics!" (someone famous once said that)  So - Voidserver is ranked number one on the Global server list? Cant say I looked recently.  I am certain that we have more than 6 clans in the top 100 Global.. But lets not get all worried about Global statistics - lets look a little closer to home - Its not the numbers in a clan - its the ACTIVITY in a clan that counts surely?

1 [BBB] 10 12,929 73
2 [KBA] 15 9,620 73
3 [Netsphere] 7 6,245 71
4 [+tng+] 6 5,177 74
5 [TSF] 22 4,289 55
6 [Eclipse] 10 3,872 61
7 [AoF][A] 14 2,714 63
8 [RAPTORS] 17 1,943 51
9 [PT] 5 1,723 55
10 [AlphaForce] 5 1,550 56

(sorry its not better presented)  The 2nd number in the lines is the number of clan members - 3rd column is the number of NPC's killed and I think the last column is the global position (I will stand corrected if that is not so)  - that gives you an idea of the spread - AoF are ranked 7 with 14 members while Netsphere are ranked 3rd with only 7 members - go figure....?  Reducing the number of clans and trying to amalgamate various smaller clans will only lose you players.  Its up to the clan leaders to carry out regular pruning of players that are inactive for a given period of time - My limit is 60 days and I issue a post.  If there is no response I will ask the ADMIN team to delete the unused characters - That way you dont clutter up the stats with unused players.

Taking a look at the overall Global positions we find this:

5 - BBB

13 - KBA

20 - Netsphere

25 - [+tng+]

34 - TSF

37 - Eclipse

54 - [AoF][A]

91 [PT]

So, taking the average rank / cash / kills (NPC's)  we have  8 clans in the global 100.  A big part of that is the fact that most of our clans prefer to PvP than to "red dot" hunt.  Just because a clan doesnt appear in the Global 100 doesnt mean that Voidserver is on the decline - I personaly believe that this is a seasonal thing, it goes in cycles and radically changing the clan system will be detrimental to this server.  

The point is that you can make statistics say anything...

Dont worry.............

Each year this happens player numbers drop off and then in the winter and darker nights more players spend there time playing.

There is no reason to change the infrastructure of the game/server, its the same as when we had 115 players online.

The way to get the numbers back up is to maintain a friendly server, so that players want to play here...this is more important than anything else. New players join all the time, the key is to ensure that they stay and this wont happen if they are repeatedly killed within 20 minutes of joining the server.

You see when you look at the server and community, the ONLY way to keep the server popular is to have people who visit the server enjoy their experience. Its upto each and every player to make sure that they can do this by being polite and thinking a little bit more about the impact they have on other players.

Players who are repeatedly killed leave the server, players who are helped, welcomed etc are more than likely to revisit.

In summary, there is no need to change the server or current situation, there is a need for players to be less selfish and help other new players out, not by giving them money, but by taking the time to say Hi, asking if there ok, or need help and even giving them tips on trade runs. Communicating with a new player for a few minutes will make a big difference between him staying or leaving. Killing him "because its our roleplay" will more than likely make him leave. You dont need to hold his hand all the time he's on, a friendly " green me if you need help" should be your parting chat with the player.
Dont forget, many people who join the server haven't played MP before, they dont know why they have been killed and DO take it personally.

Heres an example for you......Me and my son joined another server last year and I was talking him through everything and helping him out/get going. As I know the server owner, he set us up with some cash.Along comes this pirate and kills my son.
Ok, im pretty annoyed, but understand how it happens, so i green the pirate and ask him not to do it as my son is new to MP and still getting the hang of it....totally ignored. We launch again and guess what within 5 minutes he's back again and kills my son. MY son says he's had enough and doesnt want to play MP anymore.
Now, my son loves FL, he plays SP a lot (more than I ever did) and has finished the game about 3 times over, but he cant understand why someone would just kill him for no reason. Now, he doesnt want to play MP.

This is why I get annoyed about indescriminate killing of players. The fact is, if you kill a player, you know how good they are. If their hopeless at pvp, why kill them again and again? Basically if you can kill a player in one or two passes then its not a pvp is it?

Sorry its a long "in summary" but players do need to remember that it has to be fun for all, not just you!

You are apsolutely correct Strail.
I have seen these things hapen number of times and im ashamed to say that i was friend with some of people who act that way.I guess they dont have guts to attack more expirienced players.
I have also seen clan made of older void players thrying to bully new clan (made of newbies to void) from server,attacking them repetedly and not giving them a chance to move around the server.Maybe they had a reason to be angry at them but bullying someone from server is not the way.If they offended you show SS to Admins.

Sorry if flaming or off topic,just thrying to point out some problems,no names were mentioned.

As I saw that this topic has attracted a lot of attention, more then I expected, I can't say that ppls who disagree with me are in wrong, altough I can't say that ppls who agree are in right too. So, I think that here are some players who want's to make my suggestion real, so I will make first step:

1. All have 1 place free fro creating char

2. All who agrees with me send me PM

3. We can make new clan and discuss bout this in new topic

4. Why new clan? We can make strong clan, have a lot of active players, and why did I say 1 char? We can create 1 char for that clan, but not leave our old clans, just make this and fly under ''new clan char'' for 1 month and see how things are going, I am sure that
THIS idea can succed...

5. We set some1 as a leader , and few co-leaders, of course those who have exp with leadership and those who have will

6. Why am I so sure that idea can succed? Because in this clan in beginning would be all players who are already active

7. There's no reason to not try this out

8. Again I say all who are interested PM me and we will discuss about details, AND DON'T THINK THAT I WANT TO BE LEADER

LOL, for 3rd time I say PM me, and I will PM u all back and say how many ppls are interested