Re: Crusher - We beg of you

Zyos · Post by **Zyos** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:18 pm

Please oh gods of modding, remove the bain of VOID, the Titainium Crusher

Long has it hampered our guns from touching its bugged surfaces, its got more bugs on its frame than my aunt nora lol.

On a more serious note, it's too fast, making it unbalanced, plus its 8 class 10 guns, its partial to not being hurt, makes it a terrible ship, and these past few weeks all I've been seeing is more and more people picking this ship so they can actually defend themselves properly, and I have actually felt I needed to today and have purely for the reason that some idiots feel it necessary to abuse its unbalanced strength and then gloat how godly they are, its driving me and others insane

I beg of you, to remove it or fix it in the next mod, before the VOID becomes nothing but crusherville!

Heres a poll so you don't just have to take my word for it...

Symbol · Post by **Symbol** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:27 pm

The crusher:

Hull: 8600 (Average for a Heavy Fighter)
Speed: 140 ( Faster than all but two of the light fighters)
Weapons: 6 Class 10 and 2 Class 9's ( If your using a nomad 3 setup this is equal to an anubis)
Hitbox: Aside from simply being a hard to hit shape its bugged in certain areas
Turn Rate: Mass is 150 and bank angle is pretty crappy (so it turns like an anubis)
Overall: Its a ship with the hull of a heavy fighter, the weapons of an anubis, and to top ewverything off its the 2nd fastest ship in the game. Am i the only one who sees a flaw there?

I voted to fix it.

Replace the .sur file with something more hitable, just copy-paste the .sur of an eagle or something and rename it m15.sur or w/e its called, this will replace teh hitbox with something more balanced. Instead of giving the ship such incredible armament give it something more fitting of a medium fighter, the equal to a WA1 or viper, 6 class 8's and 2 class 10's would suite nicely (imho). Lower its mass 100 and up its bank angle a little bit. Lower the max force (speed) so its equal to between 120 and 130 (a fair heavy fighter speed). If these things get changed the crushed will be a fairly balanced ship IMO.

Post by **Strail** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:05 pm

It requires a client and server change so it wont be a "quick" fix

Zyos · Post by **Zyos** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:11 pm

We didn't expect it to be Strail mate, it just needs to go, everyone is starting to use them, it's starting to effect the general experience on VOID, you know how it goes, it's a constant battle for balance of the best ships.

I like the model, looks cool, but if you could maybe fix the sur? I mean its based on the titan right? whats wrong with using that sur? maybe you could explain that to me?

It's just cheapening the whole server right now, with its partial invulnerability, super speed, makes a bad balance.

Were not blaming you our beloved mod gods, it's just that there has been a boom in the amount of people using it, therefore its definately got everyones attention now.

Post by **Strail** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:28 pm

yeah im just mentioning it so we dont get the polls on changing it every other day etc.

Symbol · Post by **Symbol** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:32 am

I was told once that the hitboxes are stored serverside, i was once acused of hacking my hitbox and the admin stepped in and said it wasnt possible to do it clientside.

Was admin aran correct?

If so it would only take a serverside adjustment to make the crusher hitable, as for its intense speed and firepower... i dont know.

Fracture · Post by **Fracture** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:39 am

[quote="Symbol";p="130268"]Was admin aran correct?
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Who is admin aran ?

Strail wrote:It requires a client and server change so it wont be a "quick" fix

Nothing but the facts gang.

A51_Shipper · Post by **A51_Shipper** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:16 am

I fly one and get killed more often than I have the chance to kill anyone else. I like missions and this ship (given my crappy piloting skills) gives me at the least some chance.

Still, I'll fly whatever I need to. If it's gone, I'll fly something else.

Am I right in saying that everbody and anybody can fly this ship? Then is there really a problem?? The DTA can take me down in seconds flying any old ship. They use skill (and sometimes suprise) to do what other pilots are now finding they need to buy a TC to do.

My understanding is that the Voids best pilots could take down a TC in any of the other VHF's. If you need to go to a TC and are very upset it more than likely means your piloting skills are closer to mine than DTA or '666'.

Tallyho ten chaps!

URAMI · Post by **URAMI** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:06 am

[quote="A51_Shipper";p="130273"]
Am I right in saying that everbody and anybody can fly this ship? Then is there really a problem?? The DTA can take me down in seconds flying any old ship. They use skill (and sometimes suprise) to do what other pilots are now finding they need to buy a TC to do.
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Hello m8s. Going to go off topic slightly here so here I go...

I was on vacation this weekend so wasn't around to play online. Upon returning I'm hearing chat in game about how players use the tit crusher as a cheating bugging ship. Then I hear chat that the DTA gets the upperhand on everyone because the DTA all flies the tit crushers. Well this is inaccurate, 100% inaccurate. Actually, not a one of DTA fly the tit crusher. I don't know why I felt moved to say this but felt like getting it off my chest.

Back on topic. IMO if you don't like the tit crusher, then don't pvp someone flying the tit crusher. Quit bothering the admins about it. I'm sure they are aware of the problems in game and if there was an easy fix to the problems, they would have already fixed it. But even if there was an easy fix to this tit crusher problem, why should the admins worry themselves about fixing it, you moaners will just find something else to moan about. If the tit crusher is soooooo invunerable, then go buy one. It'll give you the upper hand against the rest of the server, right? :roll:

Rankor · Post by **Rankor** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:21 am

eh...looks too fancy for my tastes.

Symbol · Post by **Symbol** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:46 am

@Ghost

Yeah, your right-ish
Asking to duel a crusher and complaining afterwords is retarded, however the majority of the time your forced in the fight. More often then not the crusher is in the hands of a pirate/rogue (or someone that just goes around shooting [POP]) and running away is just lame, its in these situations that people get extremely frustrated because in the ands of a pilot that knows how to use the crushers intensely overdone stats can make themselves almost impossible to hit and hit they have good aim they can kill extremely fast. I myself have fought crusher pilots inside and outside of their crusher, one of them in paticular didnt even do hull damage to me most of the time in his eagle/sabre however in the crusher i rarley did more than half.