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[Zebulon]

Just to make something quite clear. Treachery will not be tolerated. If these members feel the need to fire upon allies that are listed (as per Geromix post) then they will suffer the ire of the attacked clan - on an INDIVIDUAL basis I have no problem with the offended clan placing them as KOS. What they must understand is that when they break with the General Diplomacy - Do Not Expect other AoF to come rushing to your aid.  If it becomes a problem for AoF in general and their behavior brings disrepute and dishonour to AoF they will be treated accordingly and punishment will follow on.

RONALDO - you have been warned. You fire upon these guys - face the consequences as an individual - dont expect backup. (thanks Geromix for dealing with this)

[NuclearWinter]

No problem guys, it was just a littlebit strange.
The last words:
The problem was with Ronaldo. First time he shoted at me.....okay.I thought that its a stupid joke. But after the second time this happened and when i asked the reason he said he can do anyting. (He dont had an [R] or [X] tag)
Predator after the first attack stoped fireing on me and we cleared the things.
Nuke out

[Zebulon]

Good to know  - Geromix had a word with Pred and Ron. Pred was coming to Ron's aid. Ron understands that if he does this its on his own head and cannot expect much help from the rest of AoF (see Watchwolf's Wisdom earlier in this thread.) This has run its course. Thanks for showing that negotiation and diplomacy are not dead on the Void...............ZEB  8)

[A51_Shipper]

This post is being written solely to clarify a discrepancy I see with the no bot & bat rule (please discuss first as people get a little hot / insulting) and an attempt by players to rp. This post is not written to accuse any clan/pilot in any way. I for one need a clarification on the Communities understanding and as such shall get things going here as follows.

1. If I am in a fighter and escorting AoF traders and then pass through Alexandria where I am attacked by say the DTA (just an example here, not picking on the DTA) and both the AoF and I are roleplaying trading and guarding, when attacked can I bot and bat?

2. I understand that the rules require a gentlemens agreement on botting and batting prior to pvp. But if I am role playing escort duty, does this agreement apply??

3. The rules state that, as above in point 2, we should discuss botting and batting prior to combat so as to not annoy or insult the opposite pilot. But if I'm attacked without this discussion, can I bot and bat?

4. To me (just an opinion here) the no botting and batting rule is fine if you are pvp'ing. Again this is more arcade than role play (again an opinion). If you are a pilot in a VHF hanging around Alexandria's gates solely to pvp DTA, '666' or someone else is this RP? I would say no although it is a legitimate form of gaming. I agree re the no bot or bat should this be what you are doing. What happens though if a trader fly's through this or a number of fighters who are rp'ing? Can they bot and bat as that is rp and what they are currently doing?

5. When can you bot and bat and when can you not? Are we mixing rp and arcade in Alexandria? Given Alexandria's position as a nexus for trade is this not an rp area?

6. If I'm doing a mission or clan task and rp'ing and need to fly through Alexandria can I bot and bat or do I need to switch to Arcade if attacked by any other clan?

7. Why not bot and bat anyway? They are soon gone if the opposition pilot is good enough. Others use missile's and I don't. I find missiles fall outside of my interpretation of a gentlemens fight yet I don't complain if others use them.

8. My understanding of the rules is that if you are attacked in a suprise dock kill coming into Alexandria or just flying around then the other pilot has breached the agreement by not asking first whether you can bot and bat. Who's responsibility is it to confirm this pre attack?

9. Is pvp'ing outside the Alexandria gates causing a conflict as rp'ers who may not want to be involved in pvp'ing are automatically drawn into the fight? Can they bot and bat to get away??

10. Is botting and batting role playing?

Comments would be appreciated (constructive comments that is).

[A51_Shipper]

Ok, getting the hang of this then. The unwritten rules of this server do take a while to get used to. For example dock raping is a big no no on most other servers but here it's roleplay. I'm getting used to that now. I just need to determine the parameters to which the community plays. Given Pi's answers to the above, what about this scenario.

1. I gate into Alexandria and am dock raped by the DTA (just an example guys not DTA bashing, that's not why this post is here) but get away with just half my shields left. The DTA after committing the Dock Rape is a full strength. Can I bot and Bat to bring things up to a level playing field? Would this not be the gentlemen thing to do as the DTA should have(and ususally do) finish me off? Are they not punished by not completing the kill given their significant advantage?

Is there a scenario where botting and batting may be considered ok, as the pilot being jumped had not actually entered a fight?

Would appreciate any scenarios here Pi where botting and batting would (mayhaps the DTA and 666 should answer this one) be acceptable. This will help me define the parameters. Are we in the end playing as if the mod had no bots and bats?

[A51EDuke]

I'm just going to stay out of this.  :roll:

[A51_Shipper]

Ok, so irrespective or roleplay unless it is a non player character activitiy boting and bating is out all together. Did I get that right?

[A51_Shipper]

Ok, I'll direct A51 Clan members at this stage to leave Bots and Bats empty if pvp'ing, DTA hunting etc and allow them to use their own judgement re missions etc.

Thanks Pi. Tis hard to change a mind-set for a new server. May still take some time. A lot of us are real old dogs!

[Zebulon]

I disagree with Pi. There is one simple rule on the Void. The use of Nanobots and Sheild batteries is NOT..and I will repeat it till I am blue in the face - IT IS NOT ILLEGAL/Wrong/Unsporting etc etc etc. It is solely your CHOICE.

If you are harrased by ANY of the Void community for doing so, let the ADMINS know. Taunting another player as a "regener" and a "cheat" for doing so is classed as harassment.

"Gentlemens agreements" notwithstanding, there are PLENTY of people out there who make claims that they NEVER bot & bat - personally, this is a pile of cow produce as I have witnessed this in person time and time again. I will not accuse or bad mouth anyone for doing so. Whilst it may be considered to be "bad form" that is down to the individual. Its no fun being eradicated every time a new player sticks their head out of their rabbit hole.  

Never listen to Pirates! (RP) Of course Pi doesnt want the traders to save their hides - it makes his job less easier than it already is when blasting AT's out of sight. I carry a full load of both in all my characters and use them on the following occasions.

1. If I am "jumped" whilst attempting to dock and have "goodies" that I worked hard to get.

2. If I am attempting to avoid combat and outrun a superior foe.

3. If I have succesfully removed myself from the field of combat.

4. If I am taking on a mission and find myself "jumped" by other players.

These are MY parameters and I am not about to shove them down anyone elses throat. I would be obliged if others took the same view and stopped harassing other players when they choose to use what is after all an integral part of the game.

As a general rule of thumb, I wont use Bots and Bats during fighter to fighter combat - Its for the reason stated way back in the mists of time that all it does is prolong combat between two well matched opponents. There are plenty of incidents where a vastly superior player has wasted another even when the other is using bots and bats. It helps to even the odds when you have a relatively new player involved in combating someone that is a veteran of the Void.

Bots and Bats are part of the Freelancer program. We have all used them in NPC combat in the Solo version and in the mod. When you have taken a severe pasting it is sometimes better to die, particularly when the nice lady starts telling you that bits of your equipment are falling off! Surviving with half your weapons missing and only half of your ship intact is not a great deal of fun and leaves you vulnerable to the less scrupulious players lurking with you demise in mind.

I leave the choice of Bots and Bats to the individual associates in the AoF and will not tolerate complaints from others of "soandso is a regener"...etc etc.  :x  Zeb...OUT.

[A51_Trickshot]

I didn't used to carry them at the Asylum, but then again, I knew my ships inside and out. I'm still getting my bearings here and have on occassion used em on missions and to keep a precious gun that was in cargo. But, I do carry em now, and will use em as I deem neccesary, not when other tell me not to. I'll keep in mind about screen shots of people harrasing about regenning. In my opinion, calling someone a regenner in open chat is not only childish, but clutters up the view.

[Megiddo]

Yes, Zebulon is right about the PvP and no regen stance. Regening is not against the rules. Personally, i don't care if the other party regens during PvP. Especially if they are still "learning the ropes". If someone regens, it just makes for a challenge. Well, maybe I would get frustrated if I were badly outnumbered and most of my opponents decide to regen. But I don't think I've ever encountered that problem before.

Dock-killing, if I understand correctly, is not really possible. Once you get locked into the docking sequence, you become invulnerable. Of course, just before the actually docking sequence, you are vulnerable to attack, so you might want to practice "speed docking".

Now on a sidenote, I think the whole fragdetails should be deep-sixed. The spirit of competition is all well and good, but imo that little feature does nothing to enhance the Void experience. If anything it has been a source of petty arguments and bad blood.