Alexandria, Should it be so???

[Arch_Vile]

think its better off that way no pvp zone...besides traders will hav to visit pvp haven system rite anyway...n pirates n rogues juz hav to go arnd searching for victims,if they sit there at the gates...den navy clans also noe where to find em,ez job rite?? thus tis means alexandria will be jammed pack wif players whose is pvp hungry n tis mean no 1 visits other system to pvp at all(except for traders).......so those modders might as well create a void wif only 2 systems..new york and alexandria..lol

anyway like i said...we juz hav to accept changes n move on..u noe go with the flow...
no point in moaning or bragging coz those A-TEAM has made their decisions n its all for the good of us playas...so scream on!!!! until u lose ur voice..lol

p.s zonsberg any1??

[Watchwolf]

I can't help wondering why this keeps coming up. Why is it players can remember all the locations of the gates and jumpholes, what ship is best for what, who killed who and when and why, this week's current KOS list, their clans diplomacy, all their friends and foes, and not remember the answers to these questions for more than a month at a time.... #-o

I'll give you that much, Ward, you have been away for a while. So the answer to the first part
[quote="Ward";p="143775"]Now I have been away for quite some time now and don't know if there was some debate about it or not [/quote]

Yes there has. not just debate but unlimited argument.

[quote="Ward";p="143775"]I really don't think that alexandria should be a no pvp zone. [/quote]

You're not the only one.

[quote="Ward";p="143775"] remember the days when everyone was in alexandria and no-one was anywhere else... I remember the days when the best pvps and FFAs happened in alexandria... And franckly this no pvp stuff in Alex is downright annoying...  >:P 1[/quote]

There may have been MORE pvp's in Alex than anywhere else but they weren't the best. The best have and still happen in Sparta and the EFZ, Why? Because there are no NPCs to muck up the action and suck up server processor time, and the systems are smaller, giving more of the same advantage.

[quote="Ward";p="143775"]Now i know that the whole point of this alex no pvp zone was because of rouge pirates killing traders and the fact of the clan =DTA= [/quote]

It might have been a catalyst but it wasn't the "whole point." The whole point was to open the game up for more players to have fun. The catalyst was a few players who would rather exploit a loophole in the mod design than enjoy the "spirit of the Game."

[quote="Ward";p="143775"]but if pirates really want to kill every trader that goes through the gate region then so be it its there game to if they chose to be traders then thats fine if they chose to be pirates that fine they deserve to do what THEY want in THEIR game because this is the only reason that anyone is playing this game/mod     TO HAVE FUN...  [/quote]

You've answered your own question. It's THEIR game. Not MY game, not YOUR game...THEIR game. Everyone's game. For everyone to have fun, everyone has to see it as EVERYONE'S game.

[quote="Ward";p="143775"]Now i really think that we need to rethink the whole alex no pvp zone thing but thats not up to me its up to the ADMINS [/quote]

You are correct, and don't think they haven't thought about and thought some more and then thought a whole lot more. Admin doesn't throw out arbitrary rules and changes for their own amusement or see how many players they can pi$$ off. Every decision is made with the entire Void community in mind. That includes you.

[quote="Ward";p="143775"]but remember this, them ADMINs are nothing without us [the regular joes that play] because without us they would be regular and they would just be playing for themselves but its their job to guard the place and preserve order to the void but just like I have been told because if this game was to easy and u could make money like that i sure wouldn't be playing this game and if u really think about it neither would u...[/quote]

You must be joking. Or on drugs. This just doesn't even make any sense but it sounds like you are saying Admin runs this mod to make themselves feel important. Can you seriously believe anyone would put their heart and soul into a mod, and their hard-earned $ into keeping it running just for the ego rush? If you had $3000 and you could either buy yourself a new computer or set up a server so a lot of other people could play together, which would you do? ....    :-?   ... that's what I thought.  But that's not what the Admin did. They sunk their own $ into the Void for years, then finally asked for help so we all could enjoy it better and for less $. And though lot of people broke their piggybanks so they and YOU could enjoy a better Void, Admin STILL had to put out over $1000 to make it happen.

[quote="Ward";p="143775"]Now for example i shouldn't be saying this but anyway "a couple of months ago i stummbled upon a cash scheme that almost got me banned i confessed and had to spend an hour talking to Watchwolf about if he told me that i shouldn't be giving this cash that i had somehow got away because again if people got everything they wanted [cashwise] then noone would want to play.  [/quote]

I'm sorry but it seems you just don't get. And I'm not going to try again because I dont you would get it any better this time.

[quote="Ward";p="143775"]Remember, it's your choice....  :-?  :-?

Ward    :)[/quote]

Yes, it is.

And now, because you either weren't listening the first time or you were in the bathroom when it was said, the Alex-No-PvP "thing" is temporary. The problems that this temporary problem addresses will be solved in the new mod. =Once again for those who need to hear it again:

The Alex no-PvP ban is temporary.  As in not permanent. As in not to get excited about. As in be patient. As in while you're worrying about where it's easier to kill other players the Admin is working hard to make a new mod so they can feel even better about themselves and be even better than you "just joes."

Have a nice day.

[Serpentine]

Well I would like that Alex is pvp zone, but we must think on other player who can't defend them selfs. And traders, there is more and more mad rogues and pirates who are just interested in frags, and if alex become pvp zone it's almost immposible to escape. I think that decision that alex is no pvp zone is good one. There is alot of other system in which you can enjoy in charms of RP and killing.

[Zebulon]

Agree with Serpentine.  Wolf is right this has been debated to the end. As far as I understand PvP may very well be returning to Alexandria in the new mod.  Whilst originaly opposed to this, I am very well aware that this is not MY game.  I have adapted.  The surprising thing is that even with Alexandria as a non PvP zone there is still a great lack of exploration.  The closure of Alexandria to PvP has opened up the rest of Sirius to the risk of death and piracy on a scale not recently witnessed.  Omicron Gamma has become a PvP area and Nomad1 continues to be a hotbed of conflict.  Ambush awaits the unwary in Unkown2  and the pirates have been forced to actually go to the home systems in search of prey.  The Navy, when it can be bothered has actually had to go looking for Pirates instead of everyone congregating at the Alexandria Gates.

Ward, if all you want are frags then go to Sparta or to the EFZ as Wolf suggested.  If its RP you are after then start searching your own home system for intruders or go hunting in the other areas.  That way its not all Kill Kill Kill but a bit of Hide and Seek thrown in for good measure.

Sure traders still take the risk of the easy routes - this time instead of being killed at the Alex gates you can see the lazy pirates congregate and watch for who goes where.  The more imaginative ones go sit near the exit gates in the home systems.  It has caused extra grief for traders as they are now coming across Pirates and Rogues in previously unexpected places such as California and Texas as well as the Sigma systems.

The effect of non PvP in Alexandria has spread the Chaos and Mayhem through the rest of Sirius and I for one feel that from an RP point of view it is a good thing.  :D

[NoMaadd]

agree to zebulon. now pirates and navy have to do hard job to get tax and hunt pirates.
everyone now goes to the other systems.
earlier it was like a mayhem at alex jg's

there were sitting about 10-15 rouges pirates and evil clans near gates and killing all who go trough

let it be a non pvp system

[ZON-Aphelion]

You think the way some people talk the mod only had one system!
I hated Alex PvP zone.  Yeah might be nice for you and all your buddies hanging out around the most used gates in the mod.  Shooting anything you want, and it's all a big joke for you and your friends!  Most dock kills were in Alex (IMO).

There is a whole MOD out there and a well done one at that.  The poor pirates have to do something now and actually play the game.  Such a shame isn't it new fodder for your guns doesn't show up in front of you anymore.  I think the admins made the right move although i do believe it was a majority rather than unanimous vote.  And unfortunately it is only temporary.  

For the sake of Roleplay, you only need to look at the server list to see how many pirates there are.  So even on that level the balance is off. And if something needs to be addressed to make players realize there is more than one occupation in freelancer then so be it.

   And finally because of the influx of players to VOID, from my chats with players new to this mod.  Most of them feel very intimidated by pirate harrasment.  To me that makes the game not a game anymore. So if you need to fly a bit longer to ply your trade and involve the new players in role play rather than a viscious onslaught.  That can only be good for the mod, players and new players alike!!

Aphelion

[Ghosty]

leave alex as no PvP, my reasons.....

A. if u open it back to PvP it will just cause the problem which u removed PvP for.
B. new players will get bored to death in NY Bored , they need to be able to travel.
C. theres loads of places to PvP on void , its not that big a deal alex being made a no PvP.
D. i personally have been able to travel more on void LOL.

well thats me done, u can all think which option i picked LOL...

[MajestikOne]

Lol I thought it wouldn't be long until another one of these posts came along. Everyone knows it should be a PVP zone. Why do you think half of the server teamed up together and started blockades on all of the gate systems? Since Alexandria has been a no-pvp zone, the server hasn't been the same. To be honest, I haven't played as much as i did back then, there are no big battles, only pirates getting raped by navy. Every single day we used to get huge wars and everyone would get involved, now all there is is a battle here and there in Sparta. Alexandria is empty.

The administration know how we feel about Alexandria, but of course, no one listens. Since Alexandria has been a no-pvp zone, DTA disappeared out of existence, XEF disappeared and a lot of role play certainly went down the drain. There already is a no-pvp zone which is new york, why on earth does there need to be a second no-pvp zone?

Players are reminded freelancer is a shooting game.

It was only down to noobs and fannies whining about being killed at the gates which got it changed back to no-pvp.

This place will never be the same again.

I voted for It should be a PVP zone. (Despite this will make little to no difference)

[Carnival]

Disappeared is a funny way to put it.

And is Wolfs post being totally ignored here?

The Alex no-PvP ban is temporary.  As in not permanent. As in not to get excited about. As in be patient.

Theres not much else that the admins can give us short of a diagram. If its temporary, and you want to see it become a pvp zone, then wait for it. Your not all 5 for goodness sake, patience isnt hard to pick up.

If you like the no-PVP policy, enjoy while it lasts, because IT WONT BE THERE FOREVER. Debating it constantly solves nothing, and just fills the forum with the same old arguments. Its been stated that the ban on pvp is not permanent, it has been stated that the admin team had to think long and hard about it, and still are.

Lets face it, there are hundred of systems, many of the easily accessible, and most of them more convenient for pvp and battles than Alex. When this version of the mod first came out the place to be was Tohoku, the version before that it was Sparta, the version before that.. i cant remember that far back lol but you can see what I'm saying. There are so many systems to choose from, why fixate on one just because it has more jumpgates? Its not even a permanent thing anyway, so stop spamming about it!

[Strail]

Hi.

If you look at some issues with Alex when it was a pvp area you will understand why we changed it back.

Basically new players were geting killed and dock killed at the jumpgates. Alex turned into a major pvp system however, it wasnt built for it and it caused a lot of issues. Many of which meant new players left the server and other players claimed they were using their "RP" when they killed these players.

As mentioned the no pvp in alex will be changed when I release the new mod (no date), until then it remains non pvp.

[Headhunter]

Why does the same topic keep coming up on these forums. Alexandira was put a Non-PvP zone for a simple reason.
There is no changing that, I don't know why everyone is concened about PvPing in 1 place like Alexandira when there is about 30 other systems that are moreless empty.
In the start i think Alexandira was made for a Travel Link system. For Trading. Bountys. Missions. etc.
If i remember correct when i first joinned this server there was hardly no-body in Alexandira because of all the lag which took place. If you make Alexandira a PvP Zone again. It'll cause more lag because of every player in the void will be there. Why don't you just use Sparta, New Berlin, New London, New Toyko, Unknown 2, Nomad 1.. Or better yet, why not use EFZ (Elite Fight Zone) Thats what it was made for. PvP's.

If Alexandira is like this, it makes Piracity more challenging and Trading harder as the Pirates can block off all the Capitial Systems and stop Traders from entering unless they pay tax.

Please stop bringing up the same topic over and over again.

Headhunter.

[Carnival]

[quote="Strail";p="143812"]Hi.

If you look at some issues with Alex when it was a pvp area you will understand why we changed it back.

Basically new players were geting killed and dock killed at the jumpgates. Alex turned into a major pvp system however, it wasnt built for it and it caused a lot of issues. Many of which meant new players left the server and other players claimed they were using their "RP" when they killed these players.

As mentioned the no pvp in alex will be changed when I release the new mod (no date), until then it remains non pvp.[/quote]

Ward, not mening to sound impolite but will you read what Strail JUST WROTE NOT TEN MINUTES AGO.

It will NOT be changed back right now because of the issues mentioned in that quote right there. Those are some of the issues, and they HAVE NOT CHANGED. As such, it will remain no pvp until the next mod, when the issues ARE CHANGED.

Now, how is that difficult to follow? Alex wasn't built for heavy pvp, new players were being driven off the server, people were abusing Alex's location and function, and to top it all off massive battles in one of the largest systems in the mod cause heavy strain on the server.

Right. Glad to have sorted that out.