VOTE: frag counter

[Blade666]

I vote yes.I like my frags and I take care of em.

I like to see big numbers in kills.

[Megiddo]

I vote "no" on the frag counter, despite WW's eloquent defense.

I've been on this server, on and off, for a year and and a half. I was here before the "running amok" and "godlike" messages, befor the frag counter. If the pvp crowd want some sort of feather for their cap, the message method is a good and even entertaining option.

I have never been a fan of the frag counters and here are some of the reasons: 1.) Frags are inaccurate. I've made this case before. If someone knows how to use his or her cds, you will blow up on your own ordinance, and you lose the pvp. If some has your shield down and your hull to 2 milimeters, and you fly into your own mine, you lose the pvp. However, your opponent, who has managed to survive you, gets absolutely no frag count credit.

Then of course, there are the skirmishes, in which you're shooting at one pilot with about 4 of your mates. You all inflict some damage on him, but you manage to close in for the coup de grace. You get that kill on your frags, even though you didn't fight him alone, nor did it demand much skill from you. If you're the guy who got iced in that encounter, the only satisfaction you get is knowing that it took 5 pilots to take you down. Your frag details won't read: 18 deaths, one of which occured in a gangbang at 5 to 1 odds. Frags don't tell the whole story.

2.) I noticed a palpitable change in pilots' attitudes after the initiation of the frag counter. People became more competitive, to the point of pettiness. Less fun, less carefree camaraderie, but more bitterness and more stress. A jolly little tradeoff that doesn't benefit the server on the whole.

The amount of cratering in pvp increased markedly, nor was DTA the only bunch doing it.  This is just my opinion, but I feel compelled to ask the question from people who measure themselves with frags - Don't you get enough satisfaction from simply winning a pvp? Symbol said it well enough:

[quote="Symbol";p="146267"]
We know who the good fighters are, no one needs 1100 frags and 110 deaths to prove it.

If someone absolutely needs a frag fix, maybe the EFZ could be made into a frag zone, where the frag counter would automatically activate upon entry into EFZ. I don't know if this feasible, however.

[Greaver]

Fightrers are good because they are good. Not because they can rape traders and say there god like because of it.  And one could have a 20/1+ KDR by solo killing AT's etc. Wouldnt really be to hard.

Also i would have to vote for bringing back the God like message. Those were the days you could sit in sparta and have fun withought worry about being ganged up on as then people would recognise that you are good if you have a message saying *Player* is running amok even in those sort of odds. So for me i want to kill more than die now that the frag counter is up. But i wont slave away at trying to keep it 10/1. Im on 4/1 and that will do me.

So my vote...... Bring back the godlike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greaver.

[Kosmiker]

Due to the fact that the question is "Do you really care about how many frags you have ?" I voted no. But I don't care either if the stats stay or go.

[Ruggs]

That Frag counter has made alot of problems
For instance when DTA were still on the server They would start laughin about your frags if they werent very good

but on the other hand its a goal to set if you wonna get better

Never the less i said no

[Serpentine]

I voted no,
but i like to see how good i am at pvp from time to time...

[URAMI]

Off topic a tad bit but......

DTA has been mentioned in this post about 3 times so far and they've been banned from the server for over 2 months.

Get over it guys  :-?   If you guys keep talking about it so much, why don't we make a post/vote to bring back the DTA  :-??  :-??

Sorry back on topic, just had to state the obvious

[Ripper]

I voted no.


Simple. You don't need to have Maj-high scores. In the end this is all just a game. Not some contest about who kills more people. You do that in "Battlefield" games.

The Godlike,Amok,Killing Spree messages were a lot more fun than the current frag counter.

[NoMaadd]

agree to ripper like i said killing spree and multi kill and double kill sounds much better then chat in system channel " u know i have 100kills"

DTA, why u always mention it ?

if u wanna bring them back then u not fun ppl DTa = death to all lol

[URAMI]

[quote="TheRipper";p="146323"]The Godlike,Amok,Killing Spree messages were a lot more fun than the current frag counter.[/quote]

Yea but you know what m8 players moaned about this also.  This server just loves to moan lol j/k

But seriously it's been proven no matter what the admins do to make this server a better place for everyone, players are gonna moan and moan and moan no matter what.  It's ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!

I hope the admins used some of that $3000 to take a small vacation because they sure do dam deserve one / instead of being able to run a server they are more like babysitters.

[MajestikOne]

I voted Yes. I like having a frag meter as it is a good way to indicate how many kills I get before I die. I find all the information useful like how many suicides I've made and whether or not I kill more by guns or torpedoes. It can help me work out which ships I'm better in and which I can afford to get rid of.

There is a frag meter for npc kills so why should there not be one for PVP kills.

Of course the reliability of the frag meter does not always give an accurate indication. Someone may have 5 times more kills to deaths and may have picked them up from killing traders and shameless hit and run antics. Some may have picked them up from loyal pvp's and equal battles. Some may have gathered them from gangbangs, there are plenty of ways to cheat more frags out of the system, so in the end of the day, the frag readings are only ever a rough indication to how well you are doing. Statistics are never always true to the bone.

[jprophet]

the frag counter is garbage IMHO. Not just VOID, in general.

the reasons are
a. when you kill someone by exploding a torp, mine, or missile, it doeset count for you.
b. when you fight multiple pilots simultaniously there is no way to express this thru frags. i.e. if you had a ratio of 1:3 vs one pilot thats bad, vs 6 thats incredible.

considering that almost every fight ive been in has involved spamming of explosives plus multiple pilots, i'd say its no indication whatsoever of skill.

[Symbol]

"Yea but you know what m8 players moaned about this also.  This server just loves to moan lol j/k

But seriously it's been proven no matter what the admins do to make this server a better place for everyone, players are gonna moan and moan and moan no matter what.  It's ridiculous!!!!!!!!!! "\

Wanna know what else is ridiculous?

When someone your fighting runs because of their frags, thats ridiculous. When someone someone flaunts them its generally not an isue, showing off is fine, but when they use them to determine pilot skill its just ridiculous. They've done more harm then good.

The problems /frags have created are ridiculous, theyre simply silly. Its the players fault, not /frags, but instead of removing the players lets remove the third party.