Entropy and Macro flying.

[FallenMaris]

[quote="NuclearWinter";p="159286"]Simple, if u dont like it, dont care with it or leave the void. Those are the things what i should do if i were u.[/quote]

ha dont like what? dont like ur abuse?

well i thought abuse is against rules

and btw, im trying to get rd a program to record the desktop and game
so that he can open it and record that he has no programs for using macros on, and then go onto void and kill a couple of yous to prove he isnt using macros , and as in for ini cheating, we will get to that too

[Blazin_uk]

LOL Fallen its not hard for him  to turn the macros and whatnot off when u have this special program to record his desktop lol, lmao i think thats just a silly idea lmao.

[moltenlead]

people who cheat.....
IF someone is accused of cheating these will usually happen on void:
1.they know that they are NOT cheating and can have a little giggle to themselves because they are only being accused of cheating because htey are winning.
2.they know they are cheating but don't really give a sh** and carry on anyway, ignoring comments.
3. just spam forums putting themselves above everyone else and emphasise how "morally and spiratually" opposed they are(YES xenon and maris im talking about u).

unless you all havnt noticed i dont like cheaters, or people who accociate with these scum.
<<<agrees>>>
PS: ESF can spam and quote this all they want i will just sit at my PC and laugh

[FallenMaris]

[quote="moltenlead";p="159289"]people who cheat.....
IF someone is accused of cheating these will usually happen on void:
1.they know that they are NOT cheating and can have a little giggle to themselves because they are only being accused of cheating because htey are winning.
2.they know they are cheating but don't really give a sh** and carry on anyway, ignoring comments.
3. just spam forums putting themselves above everyone else and emphasise how "morally and spiratually" opposed they are(YES xenon and maris im talking about u).

unless you all havnt noticed i dont like cheaters, or people who accociate with these scum.
<<<agrees>>>
PS: ESF can spam and quote this all they want i will just sit at my PC and laugh[/quote]

ya i just quoted it

and well if u read carefully u can notice that u actualy said me and xenon cheat

im not putting myself over anyone here, im trying to help a fellow clanmate

and  do me a fav and answer this:
HOW CAN RD PROVE THAT HE DOESNT CHEAT?
if u dont know, then it whould be polite to shut up and stop moaning that rd cheats

oh btw i bet admins are having great fun reading this, otherwise theyd lock it
so why dont we argue a bit more ?

(i, off to sleep soon so dont worry if i dont reply to your posts ill do it tomorow  ;)  )

[moltenlead]

err i accuseed you of cheating??? if you look even closer you'll notice i accused you of spamming forums. which isn't cheating but i think it should get a forum ban for doing that(make another post we can argue more )  
sleep tight

[URAMI]

[quote="Watchwolf";p="159275"]Accusing a whole clan for the actions of some members is not good form. [/quote]

Ok 4 pages and I haven't said anything in this entire post but I gotta call you out on this one WW m8.

You should accuse the whole clan of actions that few members are doing!  That's why they are called a CLAN!!  They don't act alone, they all act together.  And especially if clan m8s are aware of their members breaking or abusing rules and they don't police their own, they're JUST AS GUILTY!!  I am not just talking about ESF, I'm talking about all clans in any game.

The actions of 1 player reflects the actions of the WHOLE CLAN.  At least that's the rap DTA got.  Remember when Falex (a DTA recruit) was new and breaking a lot of server rules?  No one said "Falex this Falex that"  no no no instead everyone said "DTA this DTA that"......just an example btw.  

If someone in a clan is aware of their clan m8 doing something wrong or illegal and they don't call them out on it, they're just as gulity end of!  X(

[FallenMaris]

hmm i belive rd when he says he isnt cheating
and im trying to prove that he isnt cheating

i support rd and im sure the whole clan supports him
if by any case it turns out that he really IS cheating then we wont support him anymore

(well im rly going to sleep now gd night all)

[Sythe]

hmmm , well to get this back on topic!

macro's are cheating = anything that gives you an unfair advantage against another player is cheating!

"BOX"ing is NOT cheating = the strafe keys are in the game , its up to the player to adapt and learn to use them (correctly).  I for one(a boxer) DONT want the A-Team removing the strafe keys .

I know I dont use macro's to BOX  .... and i know some of you prolly think i do!!
if i could prove it to ya' , i would!

And to those that are macro using with the techniques you learned from us , give it up please , its not cool !!!! :-w  [-X

[TRIAD-Cobra]

lol sorry fellas but you guys have been fed some BS, what you guys usually see is not macro's. Even worse you might see macro's and ini editing combined, and I see it a lot. So let me get you past this web of lies and into the light.

Macro's Defined:


Thruster Macro:

The thruster macro will cut the thruster off automatically after about .75 seconds, it can only be used while in engine kill. If not in engine kill the target ship will jerk making evasion impossible. Now the downside to this is when fighting with multiple targets, while getting hit with multiple CD's knocking you out of engine kill the Thruster macro is useless and counter productive.

Vector Macro:

The Vector macro simply combines forward thrust with right, left, down, and up thrusting. So instead of pushing 2 buttons at the same time you only have to 1. Now this is great for boxing, or joisting but has the same drawback as the Thruster macro but again it can only be used in engine kill.

Turning Macro:

Now this seems to be the macro in question most of the time. It's the macro that many have accepted as the reason they just got owned, but I have a little secret and I'm gonna let you in on it. IT'S A LIE!!!! The Turn Macro is something I started but never finished. Now here is what it's supposed to do.

1. Mouse is instantly slammed to the right or left and held there by the script.

2. Vector thrust is performed to the opposite direction of the turn.

3. The macro is paused  allow you to aim (while in engine kill).

4. Vector thrust is performed to keep you moving while flanking.


Now this would be AWSOME!!! if it worked but it doesn't. because if just ( 1 ) CD hits your ship anywhere in this macro you have just lost complete control of your ship for 3.5 seconds. So for those that think they're being out turned by macro's, I can tell you with 99% certainty thats not true. If you are being out turned there are only 2 possibilities when it comes to macro's. because there where just too many variables in Freelancer to make any effective turning scripts.

1. You really Suck at turning because there is no effective macro that will automatically turn the ship to produce an advantage.

2. The enemy stopped and started turning before you did.


Macro's have just been used as a cover and excuse for .INI editing, I am the self proclaimed macro KING!!! presently there are 3 macro's I use.

1. I have linked my CD and mine dropper (you can do this by making groups)

2. I have linked my 2 missiles, Lancer and Cannonball. (you can do this by making groups) I have played with separating the delays but it produced negetive results as 1 missile would track and the other would get lost in space. So they release at the same time for best results.

3. Sense I use a N52 controler (not autohotkey) I control my ship with my thumb, this is where all my thrusting and vectoring is controlled. Every game I play, I play with my N52.


So what have we learned?


1. You CAN NOT be out turned by a macro, I'll even make this personal challenge to anyone, and I don't care about your coding experience. Show me the functional part of a macro (I don't even want to see the whole script) that will deal with the variables that comes with a Auto Turn script for Freelancer and I'll leave the game for life,,,,,Gladly.

2. The usable macro's for Freelancer can be reproduced by simply making weapon groups inside freelancer. There are 2 exceptions Thruster macro (although it can make your thruster last a bit longer, you lose control of your ship when a CD hits and the macro must complete before you can get back in engine kill). Then we have the Vector macro, I don't know anyone that I've beaten because I can push 1 button for the actions of Thrust forward + Thrust Left or Right.


So now that we got passed all the lies?

It seems macro's can help at times but because of the massive use of CD for unintended purposes their more of a drawback than anything else so people who actually did use them a lot have stopped using them at all.

So it should now be really clear to you guys who is using macro's and who has edited their INI's. The next time your in your WA1 and some Anubis or Viper has been shooting you before you could even turn, trust me it has nothing to do with macro's. For those of you that can pilot, you and I know when your in a fight there is a rhythm you get into where you can clearly tell a person turned late, but was able to start shooting directly at you before you could get a shot off even when your in the same ship. Thats clearly INI editing and has nothing to do with macro's.

[LIMAN]

Oh the drama !  :-SS

[Arch_Vile]

well killing other peeps in pvp when u cheat is not satisfying as the feeling of killing other peeps in a pvp wif juz ur skill...

[TRIAD-Cobra]

Well either way...when the new mod comes out and there are no INI's that will solve 99% of the moaning in this post. Then we can moan about me having two extra button free lol..but my point is to point out that if a person used macro's and macro's only......you would never even know it.

Many that fight me now know I don't even bother joisting anymore, there is just no way to get a shot on some people on Void. There was a brief moment in time when shooting 2 missiles with 1 button was cool but practical macro's are nothing more than a convenience (that you can also recreate in Freelancer if you got off ya azz  and properly grouped your weapons) compaired to the INI editing. But i know some of the people screaming Bloody Murder! have abilities that exceed macro's


WATCHWOLF is my hero hehe......well said

[Zebulon]

Wow!  Taking on board all that information (some of it usefull and some of it just plain defensive spamming) there are a few things that come to light.  The best piece of equipment available to the VOID guardians and the ADMINS is a funny biological thing called the Mark 1 Human Eyeball.  The problem with the whole argument about ini. and marcos is that FLAC has a limited range and many of the very experienced cheaters here know exactly how to get round it.  This has been through a series of trial and error. They have all worked realy hard at getting it fine tuned to the point where it becomes difficult to PROVE the fact.  The trouble is we all have seen a variety of players pull this sort of stunt.  

Macros on their own I dont have a big problem with. I have observed and seen with my own eyes how the ships react in combat when macros (and JUST macros) are being used.  

Macros and ini. file cheats: This has to be the lowest form of cheating that goes on here.  The "I'm not cheating, I'm just using a macro." is becoming the resort of the shameless. They are trying to use the whole macro thing as a cover for altering certain ini. files.  

Apart from some inexperience and lack of actual practice, my PvP skills improved from being worse than useless to almost useless.  I played a bit more and they went from almost useless to fairly average. A little while longer and they became adequate.  What has been interesting is that against most players of nominal ability and those who chose to play old school with a normal keyboard and a mouse I can pretty much hold my own.  Its the fantastic new to the scene "boy wonders" that point the finger directly at the use of Macros and the blatant usage and aproval by clan leadership of CHEATING that realy gets my goat.  I will name no names here as it would be inconsistent with my position and it would not serve to help the discussion: HOWEVER....

I played against certain players and I have done so in a variety of disguises.  When these players are experimenting with new setups and characters or are playing with unaltered characters I have found that I can have a decent close combat with them and apart from steering directly into the occasional torpedoe it has been and enlightening experience and PROOF to me that these people, in their other characters, have altered their game play in some way that gives them, not just an advantage in skill, but an unfair advantage by alteration.  Without giving to much away let me try and explain this phenomenon.  When I go up against a Very Experienced Player, I have noticed several things (apart from the obvious).  Under normal conditions I can see the player at least two or three times in passes depending on how I am using my UP DOWN LEFT RIGHT combo, combined with ENGINE KILL and THRUST.  When I cannot SEE the player during the combat it leads me to suspect that, unless I am traveling in a straight line or being a complete novice, they are cheating. Even when another vessel can out turn you, you are still going to be able to see the ship - even if you cant hit it.

All this bs about: "You are a cheat!" "No! You are a cheat!" is getting to the point where many of you (and you all know who you are) should go off and take a rest for a bit.  If I catch anyone openly calling another player a cheat then I will ban them.  If you have a concern that someone is cheating or if you have definate proof that this is the case then let one of the VOID or ADMIN team know.  If you get no joy with any particular VOID then try someone else.  Despite what some of you may think and despite the fact that some of you have take my actions as a personal attack against you (geeze - get a life!) I aim to be as even handed as I possibly can. NO ONE escapes my wrath if they have broken the rules, not played in the Spirit of the Game or openly defied my decisions.  I have said it before and I will say it again, BEFORE you start yelling at each other, take a VERY close look at yourself and your team mates, and at your past actions.  Sure, this is just a game, but its a game we are supposed to enjoy and also assist others in the enjoyment of it.  If you are getting angry and shouting at your terminal, then you need to either go to the pub, take up scrabble or go see a psychiatrist.

I will say no more and these threads tend to go nowhere.  A bit of self policing would go a long way.  Most cheats that have been banned have been grassed up by their own team members and a few have been banned being caught "red handed" with Clan Leaders claiming no knowledge.  

The last thing I want to start doing is banning those using MACRO's as this would lead to the VOID being pretty much empty - I would not set too much store by these and I would ask those using them to reconsider doing so.  I fully realise that is like asking people to drop their trousers and get their bits shot off by those who are unwilling to do so, but to those of you who set a great deal by these - where is your skill?  The fact that you can out manouvre me and kill me in seconds doesnt leave you with any great satisfaction and leaves me with nothing more than some residual frustration.

There are some whom I will not engage in combat  - I will kill my engines and remain stationary as any effort on my part is a waste of ordinance.  This is not a sign of resignation to superior skill - it is a clear indication of my CONTEMPT for them.  If you suspect someone of behaving less than fairly - dont enter into the game with them - they will find it a very lonely place out there. Shun them.  

I had a player  state quite clearly his comtempt of my attempts to engage him in combat.  This is NOT what we are about here.  If someone who is less skilled than you takes you on - EVEN IF YOU DONT MEAN IT - have the grace and dignity to at least acknowledge their courage and insanity rather than belittling their efforts.

Get it sorted or go play somewhere else where they put up with BS and back biting.

[NoMaadd]

well Cobra you not so right why becouse on VOID we have cd's but we also have CM's
so like i see most of VOID using the most perfect cd's for combat Wasp

but we all know that wasp didnt hit most the time at all unless no cm left

so what now we have 120 cm's so it took about ew mins to make them end

look at the pvp not every turn ppl shoot cd
so Macro can work i think ....

@ Maris grow up kid its happening all around you but you cant admit it coz you are just kid who see man who always wins (almost)

You admire him like totally master ....

think about this