In-Game Tag Discussion

[Watchwolf]

I did just think of one thing, though:

It would be just short of a nightmare to have everyone have to change their ship names to either add or remove a tag. There would certainly have to be some sort of grace period while everyone gets their stuff sorted out. And that in itself brings up another mess: Players with great playing records like Burn... how would changing the player name effect that? Not good I think.

Hmmm....

[Zebulon]

.....After all is said and done we have two official tags - X and R - but If a change were necessary then Im all for keeping it simple.  Let the boss decide - its his ball game after all.  There is not much wrong with how it was originaly set up  - and taking Torchies points to heart - RP is very much a Point of View and everyone and their dog has one.
Dont like being shot? Then avoid those that shoot at you - you can check where they are in the system list of players.  Still dont like being shot?  Go somewhere else.  Like the Watchwolf said - its not like you didnt know what you were getting into when you came here - or are you an illiterate moron that cant be bothered to read simple instructions?

When I first came here *(pull up a sand bag and I'll tell you a war story)*  it took a little bit of getting used to - I developed an "escape" strategy for my Trader and very nervously got involved in one or two fights - then decided "To heck with it" and waded in to the melee's in Alex - Fragged? You betcha  - and by some very good players too.  Did I learn something? Sure - Im not very good at PvP and I need to practice more.  Did I get better? Sure - Ask a few of the better players here - Im still slow on the uptake but have gotten in a few punches here and there.  Do I cry because Im not any good and go looking for the Love Bunny to Give me a Big Hug? Your kidding right?  Sure I get mad - but then dont get mad get even...!  If it stops being fun I LOG OFF.  I come back when I think Im up to facing the humiliation.  

There are some pretty simple rules to follow here.  If you fly around here (and its a freekin big place!) you will at some point get shot at.  If you cant handle the respawn then dont play here.  Getting shot to bits? Have a laugh and then ask the "best" how they got so good and you'll get the same reply - Practice. Dont sulk - its a waste of energy and for the most part we are not listening.  PLEASE dont misunderstand the fact that because I will ban players who take the pish and victimise other players that I am a weak willed pacifist.  I have ignored more "whines" than I have had cooked dinners - and believe me thats a lot of whiners!  So.....
Let me write this in Red Crayon for those that have a problem with any of the concepts mentioned in the threads above:

1. R - is a baddy - like in the movies - they shoot things and people.  They are not nice - they are not your friend and they are not to be trusted with goods, loot, your sister, your mother, housekeys or any money. You can guarantee one thing - THEY ARE GOING TO SHOOT AT YOU.  Dont like it? DONT GO NEAR THEM...!

2. X - is a baddy to - like in the movies - they are Pirates.  Pirates are not nice - they are not your friend and they are not to be trusted with goods, loot , your sister, your mother, housekeys or any money.  You can guarantee one thing - THEY ARE GOING TO ASK YOU FOR TAX - non payment of tax will result in EXECUTION. Dont like it? DONT GO NEAR THEM...!

3. Other tags:  T, M, A, H or whatever letter of the alphabet you choose, normaly has a logical reason behind it and all you have to do is ask. They are not official.  CLANS: They are mates - they fly together cos its fun.  They fight with other clans and sometimes they are mates with other clans.  They may or may not shoot at you: Check the VOID forums OR - ASK them what they are about.  BEWARE of potentialy misleading tags: TheLoveBunny or IcklePickleHuggyWuggy and any similar names are to be avoided - why? Because they are probably psychotic - or at least delusional - best avoid them - they might shoot at you or at least hug you to death...!

4. VOID rules still apply - there are no caveats. Read Them.  Dont argue with VOIDS or ADMINS - this is not a freekin' democracy - although you are given the chance to air your opinions and for that you should be freekin' grateful, final decisions rest with the A-Team - Dont like it? LEAVE.

5. ATTITUDE READJUSTMENT:  This is normaly carried out with a warning, progresses to being kicked and then banned DEPENDING on the situation and just how Ticked Off the particluar VOID is or how bad the breach of the rules has been. Each case will be sorted out on its own merits or lack thereof.

6. FINALY: HAVE FUN! Thats an Order...seriously - if its not fun then why come here?  If all you are going to do is beatch and moan about things and whine that you got killed or whine that people whine about being killed or "gank" players and then whine about being "ganked" - you know the pack drill........Dont like it? LEAVE.

Its fine the way it is - all you need to do is READJUST your attitudes - that goes for the whiners and complainers and also for the serial retentive "I have to win" crew that enjoy the misery of their victims.  Sometimes its like trying to referee kindergarten kids - Ever play Cowboys and Indians - "Bang - I shot you - no you didnt - yes I did - your dead - no Im not ....... ad infinitim.  GIVE IT A FREEKIN REST!  

Rant Over - *(lies down with CareBear and his blankey and cries to sleep cos no one loves an Angry Old VOID) ....

[Babieca]

I am sorry Zeb, really sorry because I would like that your words get the solution,  but with the red crayon and big letter, or without them, in one post or in another, those words were wrotten  many times. The problem is that some dont read it, or forget it, or simply dont mind about it. And VOID tags cant be online anytime and everywhere.

Most of us know why this post started, and why Strail is asking us. Many ideas merged here, maybe Strail have enough feedback to take a decission, keeping everything or changing somethings.

And it doesnt matter what could be the final decission because some would like, others would not.

I amaze how important is the server for us, because althought some doesnt lke how things are, they still here, althought some leave, they always comeback. Maybe you dont notice but this kind of discussion make the community stronger, and ALL involved in it is adding something to the VOID, THEY CARE.

[Watchwolf]

I think someone is missing the point.

1. I am not an "Admin." I am a player. Forget there's sometimes a [VOID] attached to my name. You see Watchwolf the player a lot more than you ever see Watchwolf the Server Guard.

2. My opinions come from me, not the Admin staff. In fact, I'll wager the Admin staff doesn't look with all that much enthusiasm at my proposal.

3. Getting rid of what works? If it worked we wouldn't be seeing this thread.

4: "and instead of making these players understand that they take the game too seriously, you let yourself be convinced by them that players play the game in a wrong way"? My idea is designed to make it more acceptable for players to shoot others, not harder. I'm not sure how I can put it any clearer. The idea is for everyone to be free to shoot everyone. If a player doesn't want to play the game in MP the way it's meant to be played, then he can "opt out" and go play with himself, so to speak. But if he doesn't make a clear declaration of that, as in wear a tag saying "I don't want to be shot at!" then he's fair game. That way no one can complain if they get shot at. So how is that making it harder? How does that coddle the whiners? It's not whiners who gain any solution here, it the players who want to actually play the game. Maybe you should read it again...

[[IFU]Warchief]

I'm sorry I just cannot see the RP in a bunch of guys sitting at a gate and killing everything that comes thru over and over.A [X] player attacks you and it looks like even tho they attacked by surprise you are going to win. Then a [R] player or two help out to insure the player dies. This just doesn't seem to me like role play but harrassment.  As defined by RP pirates charge a tax rogues are hostile to everyone. Anymore it seems like  pirates and rogues have made it them against all. You have rogues bragging they have 15 characters for RP. What use is 15 characters?
All you can do is plant them at different locations so you can make a quick switch.
     Why don't we try this. When a rogue sees any player no matter what they are tagged attack them. This means they would not sit next to a DKH or[X] player waiting on a weaker player to exit a gate. As DKH are hostile because of thier Nomad affiliation maybe they should attack any [X] or [R] player as soon as they are sighted.  Now it seems strange to me the players say they wear the [R] tag because they want to kil anything By definition the tag [R] is hostile to all but our rogues seem to be only hostile to a few. Now DKH and other clans who have a hostile rep,being a part of the clan system, could attack or not as they choose. They could group with clan members to attack people or group with like minded clans.But [X] or [R] players would be solo players friendly to NO ONE not even another rogue. Now would a person of authority FAQ Void or other admin clear up my concept if I am wrong. Maybe if  I truly understand the RP of these tags I would have a different opinion.
    As I have said before because of the way the [R] players abuse the tag it is my prediction that the [R] tag will go sometime. I for one in spite of what people might think would regret this. Because with a [R] tag if I am in the mood for a fight I can find one easy. But without the [R] tag I would live because as I always have I will find a select group of players who I can always attack for fun. I even like the [R] guys being in Alexandria a lot just not  the gate camping.  Because these players are better pvpers,have the advantage of surprise and usually have the stronger ships why do they need to gate camp.

[Babieca]

[quote="V3N0M";p="187225"]good to see there is others here with there own opinions that are not scared to say them incase admins don't like there views  =D>[/quote]


V3nom , dont take bad but if you mean:
only those ppl that disagree Admin have their own opinions, nice..... that means many players dont have it.......mmmm maybe  they should change their mind to be independent.
Dont know, we need your advice to do what is right.

if some ppl thinks like you said, maybe some others do the same when they agree you, just because they are your friends or whatever.

Come on, I thought the topic started to solve things, not to ...............

[Babieca]

Sorry, maybe I didnt express myself very well:

I don know who is friend of who and I dont care, it was just an analogy, thanks

[YMER-VILE]

Rule #1: Players who do not with to participate in PvP in any form will fly a ship tagged with [NRP] (or whatever). They are not to be fired upon by any player for any reason. Shooting a player tagged [NRP] is a banning offense.

Rule #2: Any player in a ship not tagged [NRP] is subject to being fired upon. Period. No whining, no complaining. You don't want to be fired upon, see Rule #1.

Rule #3: No abuse of players, no harassment, no swearing, etc... as already stated in the rules as we know them. None of that should change.

I like it, Watchwolf.  Anyone who doesn't want to get shot can wear [NRP] tags.  If they don't then anything goes (within  the rules) and no one can complain.  Players with a tagged RP would just be declaring their intentions for everyone.  Untagged players would remain an unknown factor.  

The only suggestion I would add is that with this plan there should be a rule against using a [NRP] character to make loads of money and then transferring it to PvP characters.  Otherwise, everyone would do their trading in a [NRP] character and be perfectly safe while making their cash.

[PapaJoe]

 @-) ...... Ow - my head hurts......

Erm, not happy that the fact that what some of the "admins" or VOIDS have to say is something I agree with and that I am being "told" by other players that I dont have a mind of my own.  The assertion that because I agree with anything they say makes me a "brown nose" or some kind of moron strikes me as nothing more than stiring the pot.   Did any of you actually bother to read what is being suggested?  I am certain that the only reason certain members have gone all "pink" on us is because they are unhappy that things are not going their way.  Shonen your assertion that because a player "moaned", admins automaticaly changed things is frankly childish.  The gates were moved to make the frag monkies work for their kill count.  They even (and this is where you have to wonder) changed NOMAD1 sky back to black when some of your "pink pals" MOANED about the pretty blue sky (frankly I agree with Venom on that - am I a "I love Venom Brown Nose" then...???)  Nomad 1 in Black works for me.  PvPers complained about the number of NPCs making their play difficult. Did the Admins staff turn round and say "tough luck" - No - if I understand this correctly they attempted to find a BALANCE in order to satisify these players - so to get on here and say that Admins respond solely to the whims of the whingers is LAUGHABLE.  All of you that are claiming "we have an opinion of our own" only do so because its diametricaly oposite to that of some of the VOIDS and ADMINS here - basicaly you are just here to stir it and cause trouble.

If they said something was White - you'd say it was Black - of that I have no doubt.  

To quote Zeb and Babecia:  "Dont like it? LEAVE"   Some that are complaining are still here - if its such a bad thing then why are you still here?  

If it aint broken - Dont Fix It.   X and R stay.  Its not a difficult concept to grasp.  I dont want a Vanilla Bunny Hugging Server.  At the same time I dont want to become "Just another FragMonkies statistic"  every time I stick my head out of a docking ring.  Getting shot at by the Alex Gates? - lemme guess - DONT GO THAT WAY  - there are people with BIG FREEKIN SIGNS round their necks stating quite clearly "WE WILL KILL YOU".  Find an alternative route - its not that there arent any for pity's sake.  Read what it says in Big Red Crayon (now that did make me laugh!)  

Moaners:  Put up or shut up.  Fight - or dont fight - Your Choice. Want to stay safe - Dont Leave New York.

FragMonkies:  Play the game.  Use the simple RP of the two tags. Be grateful you are even being ASKED for input into this and Dont abuse the privilege.  Dont like it?  Go away in short jerky movements.  Put up or shut up. Fight - or dont fight - Your Choice.  Want to have fun?  Go look for your prey and stop hanging around waiting for easy frags.

Get some integrity instead of this pathetic sarcastic and frankly pointless and weak oposition to actualy contribute to and advantageous change  - stop bubbling like a baby about the fact that some people have got the intellect to at least try and suggest possible solutions and obtain a BALANCE between the two schools of thought.  Your moronic attempts to belittle those who actually do agree with SOME of what is being attempted holds no credence or sensible argument. All you are doing is having an indirect poke at those who are trying to improve this server so it remains at least for the moment in action. They dont always get it right and they know it.  All you have to do is go through some of Shonen's previous posts to see what a whingy little girl he is - doesnt like missiles? Planet Dives.  Getting bested? Planet dives - why - just so he can deprive someone of a frag - Geez - get a life - or at least get a girl friend....!  He says its to make a point....Male Cow Droppings! He just hates the thought that someone who is not as good at this as he is actually popped him one on the nose when his guard was down....Bad luck.
Venom - if you hate it so much here why did you even come back? Im sure thats a question youve been asking yourself for a while now.  Rather than stand in the corner in your pink fluffy bunny outfit shouting "I dont want to! I dont like it! Im going to scream and scream and scream till Im sick!"  Why not actually READ whats being written and see if you can come up with a BALANCED suggestion instead of all the pointless Cr@p youve posted here?  
No - I dont agree with all that the ADMINS say - so view the above as my OWN freekin' opinion and GET OVER YOURSELF you great big bag of wind......!