2115v7 - Your Thought

[TheLaughingMan]

Nooo Battor m8 NOOOO
say no to spamm 3 torp slots nooooOOOOOO XXXD

and back to topic:
balancing on the way about BS's only atm
like (i don'tremember who) said: BS's are not designed to be flyable in this game
hard to avoid spinning effect after a "suicide" pilot, or give correct mass to them with proper engine and turnrate
Fighters testing needs a bit longer period
around a month i think

as you know m8s, this is a pre edition of 2145 so be patient
just think of how many hour, week, even month practicing need to learn drive a new ship XD

[Longbow]

I'm loving the upgraded BEER!

[Inf1n1ty]

Some ship could have better strafing, not extreme as the Sabre, but alittle more would be pleasant.
Anyway i thought it was just an update at start and only one new ship, the Apophis MK3. I also knew some 3D systems would been removed to enhanced the productivity of the game.

When i first started and i saw more than one exellent ship i was stunned.
Everything went smooth and each new ship is made like it came from Micrsoft itself. I still have trouble choosing the ship i want. ( just to much choise )

Anyway i found that alot of stuff has been rebalanced and it works. Awsome work A-Team's Awsome!!!
Scream On.

[[BLK_LGN][X]Zeus]

Hmmm.

I have to say - the general lag on the server is near enough gone. I don't know what you guys did but I applaud whatever it was massively. Those fights where everything is stalling, missiles and mines acting funny, that little lag icon...they're all gone.

But there's always a downside. Something I have noticed is an increase in individual players who are warping all over. For most it's not a permanent thing, just it could be the odd day. But it has increased.

And to quote a real vet of this server who doesn't play much anymore:

"If there was a lag kicker here I'd play FL 24/7"

Therefore I want to bring up the idea of reinstating the kicks to people who are lagging. It does sound a bit harsh, but in the long run I think the positive really outweighs the negative. I do know that sometimes you can have a highish ping, let's say 80, for example, but you'll not suffer from lag at all. Whereas sometimes you can have a low ping, let's say 30, and the ship is jumping all over. I also understand that the majority of these instances can't be helped.

So a ping or any kind of lag kicker would not be 100% accurate. But here's the idea out in the open, maybe a 30min kick for anybody the server decides is lagging. I'd like to know what other players and the admins think about this.

[Psychonaut]

I agree, I would like to be kicked when I lag  :D.

[TheLaughingMan]

Yeah mate lagg kicker will be nice
coz hard to tolerate players with it
ruin others day isnt good
and the worst is if we ask them do not attack us they almost never retreat

[Battor]

There are few weapons that are overpowerd like
-Quakes.....class 8 guns,
-refire rate 4,
-700(+ dunno how much) shield and hull demage
-and only like 137 energy usage....its stronger than nirvanas and nomad lasers from the last mod...

And think there are few overpowerd new ships aswel like Phantom......

[[-ORION-]the_mon]

i disagree laughing man sometimes the lag isnt on purpose sometimes theres just something wrong with there computer so how about we wait little bit till everybody has new mod before we think about that

[DarkPand0r]

[quote="[-ORION-]the_mon";p="218009"]i disagree laughing man sometimes the lag isnt on purpose sometimes theres just something wrong with there computer so how about we wait little bit till everybody has new mod before we think about that[/quote]

Mon the difference between a little lag and the lag he means, a ping around 200 isn't great. But there are people with ping in excess of 4-500 that still play on the server, this destroys the server and causes nothing but problems for everyone else.
He doesn't mean everybody who has a slightly higher ping than normal.

My highest ping ever - 1800
Youtube/Youporn/Torrent/Download/Web at the same time on a 700kb connection

[Hash]

Guys..., have you tested ALL ships with ALL guns against ALL kind of opponents in ALL kind of enviroments?
If yes, then post your thoughts.
Well, if not you can post them too, this is Zeus's thread. But at least you should admit that, without
a 100% test, what you have is just an overview. Wich is what Zeus wanted, I think.

2nd, and out of topic, how can you say a laggy guy makes people leave the server?!? I swear I don't understand you.
So you're saying player X is exploring new systems, trading, having some pvp, or even mining, and then he finds a laggy guy, he tries to fight him and then, just because that guy jumps, he decides to leave the server?!? Oh, please.
You're treating laggy people like a virus, and laggy people are players just like YOU, with the same rights and obligations. The only diff. is that they live far away or have a slow connection because they can't afford a better one.
I'll be allways defending the weaker people, because it's how I am. If you find a laggy player, let him know it and suggest him how to fix it or just tell him why you decline to pvp with him. But don't leave the server because of that. It's nonsense.

[cmdrsaman]

@ Hash: Well, I don't think anyone has thoroughly tested every possibility - there simply hasn't been enough time for that yet :P However, giving feedback on all the new ships is a pretty good idea. I'm gonna post one, but in a different thread.

@ Battor: Quakes have been around for a long time, why start complaining about them now? :P But anyway, yeah, they're a bit overpowered. However, you can't buy them, you can only acquire them through some wrecks. Since said wrecks are regularly farmed by players, Quakes are pretty hard to get - which, in my opinion, rebalances the scales. They're somewhat overpowered because of the shield damage they do (and because they're class 8), but since you don't see everybody flying with 8 quakes on their ships, it's all good. Weapons that are hard to acquire should be a bit overpowered, in my opinion.

Now, OT: about laggy players. Since this is a PvP server, most people stay here for the fights. If you want to trade, explore, or mine (mining on the Void, in the current mod? o_O), you have to admit that there are better servers for that out there. So, in my opinion, if people stay, they mostly stay for the fights. When laggy players show up to a fight, and they refuse to quit, they ruin it fast. Even if the numbers are balanced. Quite soon, the ones on the opposing site lose the will to fight, because it's simply not fun to shoot at someone who's jumping all over the place, and they leave the fight. And if the majority of the fights turn out to be like this, then since it's no longer fun, then they leave the server. At least, that's how I understand this.

The mod update helped in this regard, at least, but I know several long-time players who left because of that in the past. And since I've already seen someone lag deliberately in v7 (he flew smoothly, then suddenly, a couple of seconds after he announced he was making a run for it, he started to jump all over the place - and even said that "lagg is lucky for me"!), I really support the reintroduction of a lag kicker. There was one in the past, after all. Since many people wouldn't solve their connection issues (the most they'd do is reconnect once, which doesn't solve anything in almost all the cases), and they wouldn't leave the fights, the only solution I see would be to force them to do something about it. Hence, kick them automatically. It's not a ban, after all :)

[Hash]

hmmmYeah, I was a bit ungry this morning. Please don't missunderstand me and excuse me if I was using too strong words.

Overall I think the new mod is even greater than before. And if you catch someone with that "abusing lag" attitude you/we should report it to admins. Just a SS and let admins decide. Very simple.

Anyway, and back on topic, some ships still need a couple of fixes. I've seen a couple of guns or turrets that are mounted 180º back side and some pilot locations are not well centered. Also the Typhoon mk2 and mk3 need some fixes in their equipment too. All in my ships lol.  :P
And I still haven't found them all, 3 are missing.

[Battor]

[quote="cmdrsaman";p="218025"]
@ Battor: Quakes have been around for a long time, why start complaining about them now?
[/quote]

Same situation like it was whit nomad lasers and nirvanas.They've beed around for long time aswel and they have beed changed cos they were overpowerd

[Battor]

forgot to add 1 more thing.....

it's still to laggy

[-PHOENIX-]

I am afriad i must agree with my friend zues on this,
I do think ships are unballanced...
dake crow or discoverer for instance... they have been made so slow that no one really uses them any more..

and some now ships like aphpphis and phantom are not balanced
the aphphis AKA anubis mk3 has some issues
i dont see why its better than mk2..
GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT
1.Its got a little bit more hull
2.Its got an extra turret
3.uhmm... thats about it

BAD THINGS ABOUT IT
1.Its as slow as mk2
2.Both turrets have been made class 9 (they should be made class 10)
3.its got a weaker power supply tham MK2
4.Its got 1 less torp/cd point

I really dont see why people are using it

and i have also found that light fighters have indeed become extinct...reason being they have been slowed down too extensively, VHFs and HFs can outurn LFs which i find very peculiar.

well this is just my opinion you are free to comment upon.