Disappointed..

[Asmodeus]

I feel very disappointed and down hearted at what as happened here to the players.
when the 2112 mod was said to be returning 90% of you jumped for joy at the prospect of it.
Great i herd you cry and About time to, all thumbs up, then it got released first week everyone here create there char 45 in Game.
Next week discovered there is a small problem with the Enhancers, and someone messed about with the clean up cycle that me and
Strail didn't spot, and a few players got there chars deleted. It got fixed no big deal players had only been out a week.
Now i see 3-5 players on in the evening...WHY ?

And don't blame it on the big Its got cheats here, because it hasn't only one player ranted on about that with no evidence and
we all know who that was.

[x777]

[font=Comic Sans MS]We cant do much here . Freelancer old game so very little people are interested in it.
If to speak fairly , idea to return to 2112 was silly , because 2115 was a big progress ,
it was the best mod i ever knew and u decided to give up coz we have 4 - 10 players per day ,
by returning to 2112 we have lost more than have received .
And now we returned to that from what have begun .
But u can disagree with me coz its just my opinion .[/font]

[Kosmiker]

Freelancer is an old game, only a few things kept me playing and one of them were my fully equipped, fully mapped chars.

These chars that had history were let's face it, my real connection to this server besides the good friends that I know I have here. Basically, I didn't survived the char wipe because the time I had to spend all over again just wasn't worthy, especially if it meant spending it on an older mod (with flaws). If I have the spare time I rather play something else.

Right now I'm not even into gaming anymore (1 hour a week max), and If I had to make a comeback to FL obviously it had to be in some kind of timemachine because I'm aware the good old days will never return. Besides the more than welcomed and appreciated good will of some (like you Asmo and your wife) we simply don't have the structure anymore, we don't have the players and last and most important, we don't have the community (only a small fraction of what it once was).

But it gets even worse when one third of that already small fraction is indeed, still composed by players that think of themselves free of guilt and in the right of complaining and pointing the finger when they barely realize it's that kind of action that also brought us here.

With that said, and has been a while since I actually posted something meaningfull here, hope I finally explained the reason of my withdrawl (and possibly the reason of many others).

[Zsoca]

I say this. I was not RAGEing not went totally mad and crazy and not started bithing when the V9 was replaced and my work on it was lost. I just dont. I was like...OK so what, this happens deal with it dude  :)...I stayed here, and even I sad I will not directly work on the Void development I released a ship pack and I plan another one too. This "FL is an old game" excuse is a bit stupid imo. Look at the Discovery community, yes Discovery how popular is and I still dont get it why is everyone so damn against it...IMO they are jealous. Then look at the upcomming Tides of War or some other places, mods, communities, If FL is dead then why is The Starport so still so active? FL is nearly abandonware but fuck it, if a certain game is good then it can be 500 years old people will play it. Starcraft, Elite, Fallout, Homeworld for example. It is all about the damn people and community. Look at the Underverse community. IMO that mod is just - ok I dont want to say more rude words  :D, but it is one of the most active servers. On the other hand the Shattered Worlds mod is imo top notch but the player numbers are 0-2.

True that I am also not so active recently. When I log in I see 2-6 people online, and I just log off and play on another server. You I dont realy care about my lost AT not...tbh I want a player wipe every month lol, It was just so fun with the Dagger and doing missions or anything with all the people online doing the same. Starting from scratch. No lvl 90 players etc. Just 50-  :D    

I not know why is this drop in player numbers, it is a strange phenomenom. But, there is something Void lacks. News, informations, dev blogs stuff like this about the new versions of the mod. Why is there none?? Some mods have even a whole separate forum and website for it lol. Just few accurate and interesting screenshot. Some info and players will be more inetersted to play  here. Maybe. They will have a motivation becouse they will a little bit know what will come...but without them. It is not that so time consuming to make a news post with few info and pictures. But this is just my 2 cents...

[ItisI]

-I think that the little bugs like the enhancer problem are not really the reason for ppl not being there. Everone is more or less aware of these problems, and thats basically it.

-I think the Void is currently in a circle - ppl do not join because there are almost no people online. Because they do not join, the amount of players stays low. The best way to get out of there I believe is if 'we', that is, the community decide to make something alive out of it again and play again. Yes I know this sounds simple, and yes, I know, it will be lonely at the start. And yes, I know, it may sound stupid, but reality is that many people will only join when there are people.

-Information about new updates/mods might be nice as well. Remember the days that you were sitting in front of your screen biting your nails while checking v9 was out? Currently, and this is not the first time it is said, there is no or barely any information going in the direction from the mod makers to the community or players. I am not saying promises should be made or every detail has to be said in such a news post, probably topicwise it would be allready nice for most of the players. *upsa, Zsoca mentioned this as well*

-As noticed by youself, when everything was reset to 2112 (i.e. player wipe, mod change) many people were online. They were all doing something, building up, banging other players out of space giving them a hard time etc etc. Point is, there was something to do and something to work for. At present everyone is more or less settled, sure i can make another million, but where to spend it? This might be something worthwhile to check for a next mod/update (and which was the nice part in 2115): make something where people can work for. This might offcourse be in contrast of being a PvP server mainly, since for PvP you want to do as little as possible i.e. give easy access to good fighters & weps, which is now mainly achieved by the relative short trade routes through alex. However, if you decide to do something like that than it is most likely a player wipe is needed again; otherwise you give new players a too hard disadvantage with respect to 'older' ones.

-this point relates to the previous one(s): when new players come online they see lvl 70 - lvl 90 persons. When i join a server and see this, i typically have the idea that only a few ppl play it hours a day and only these guys play there.

But, most important is i believe my second point: Everything stands or falls with that. I can imagine that as mod maker you dont invest a lot of time when you only see 1-2 players online. I can imagine ppl say, hey no one here, lets move on to a next server. Or, hey, nothing to shoot down as bad guy/ good guy, lets move on.

I do not believe that it has to do with being an old game. I agree with Zssoca there fully.

PS. not all the work needs to be done alone: i think a while ago i saw a post from virtual where he offered to help modding, even if that was only performing tasks as ordered. This will only speed up things, but nevertheless i think i did not see a response from the admins/mod makers to that post...

[x777]

[quote="Zsoca";p="232079"]I say this. I was not RAGEing not went totally mad and crazy and not started bithing when the V9 was replaced and my work on it was lost. I just dont. I was like...OK so what, this happens deal with it dude  :)...I stayed here, and even I sad I will not directly work on the Void development I released a ship pack and I plan another one too. This "FL is an old game" excuse is a bit stupid imo. Look at the Discovery community, yes Discovery how popular is and I still dont get it why is everyone so darn against it...IMO they are jealous. Then look at the upcomming Tides of War or some other places, mods, communities, If FL is dead then why is The Starport so still so active? FL is nearly abandonware but f*** it, if a certain game is good then it can be 500 years old people will play it. Starcraft, Elite, Fallout, Homeworld for example. It is all about the darn people and community. Look at the Underverse community. IMO that mod is just - ok I dont want to say more rude words  :D, but it is one of the most active servers. On the other hand the Shattered Worlds mod is imo top notch but the player numbers are 0-2.

True that I am also not so active recently. When I log in I see 2-6 people online, and I just log off and play on another server. You I dont realy care about my lost AT not...tbh I want a player wipe every month lol, It was just so fun with the Dagger and doing missions or anything with all the people online doing the same. Starting from scratch. No lvl 90 players etc. Just 50-  :D    

I not know why is this drop in player numbers, it is a strange phenomenom. But, there is something Void lacks. News, informations, dev blogs stuff like this about the new versions of the mod. Why is there none?? Some mods have even a whole separate forum and website for it lol. Just few accurate and interesting screenshot. Some info and players will be more inetersted to play  here. Maybe. They will have a motivation becouse they will a little bit know what will come...but without them. It is not that so time consuming to make a news post with few info and pictures. But this is just my 2 cents...[/quote]

[font=Comic Sans MS]Exactly !!! Discovery is good mod but this not so good as v9 by my opinion . So why discovery have 100 players every day and we just 1-10 ?????????????[/font]

[ItisI]

[quote="ItisI";p="232080"]
-I think the Void is currently in a circle - ppl do not join because there are almost no people online. Because they do not join, the amount of players stays low. The best way to get out of there I believe is if 'we', that is, the community decide to make something alive out of it again and play again. Yes I know this sounds simple, and yes, I know, it will be lonely at the start. And yes, I know, it may sound stupid, but reality is that many people will only join when there are people.
[/quote]

Disco does not have this problem. Thats the difference i think.

[fireaters]

it is my opion that most of the older players have nothing to do and the new players want the experince of other players. servers like disco have so many players that are on because they enjoy the interaction they have with each other and have something to work for. so to put bluntly if the old players play everyday new players will show up and stay. i know this because i have talked with a lot of the new players we have seen and its the same everytime.

also peoples post on the forum will also scare away new players. so the solution is delete all negative posts that dont have any real purpose other than to complain which does no one good and piss off modders which in return lose will to mod.

I know the Void is a pvp server but that isnot working out for us since  no one is playing, and those that do play either trade or do missions. Plus dico is a role playing server, which we should return to to get more players. now before you jump off the handle I DO NOT WANT THE VOID TO BE LIKE DISCO!! i would just like the chance to rp again since this will give me something to do

[Asmodeus]

I am so glad to see that this as become a sensible debate on players feelings around the mod issues, and
not a slanging match. I congratulate the people posting here for voicing there opinions in a sencible and adult fashion.. =D>


[quote="fireaters";p="232088"]

also peoples post on the forum will also scare away new players. so the solution is delete all negative posts that dont have any real purpose other than to complain which does no one good and piss off modders which in return lose will to mod.

[/quote]

By the way this had already been taken care of..

[Cursed_One]

As much as I love this mod and the people on the server, FL is an old game and I grown completely tired with it. Having played FL since launch year and playing on void since the same year it started, there is not much more I can do that I have not already done. Those I talked to regularly when I was on, knew that I had no interest in pvp (and truthfully, hadn't had it since 2015(this is not mods fault, I was just tired of the game at that point as well)) and the only reason I were s till playing were

(1) the people. I liked talking with a friendly community that did not swear or insult each other at every possible opportunity and with friendly admins that's actually willing to help. Something that I find increasingly rare.

(2) Event team. I was in the Event Team with AlphaWolf and Firefox for a long time. Not long after it started in fact. Back then, I was an assistant, because I did not actually enjoy hosting events myself, but in recent times, I did it because Alpha did not have the time (which I respect) =/.

(3) whatever clan I was in. I been in many clans, and these clans have ALWAYS been the primary reason for why I stayed. Doesn't matter if it was HFC, Eclipse, BBB or any other clan I been in, It was fun because of the members. These clans I was in is either gone or inactive and the people I knew from early times of void is also gone, except for some of the admins.

I liked the fact that it was rolled back to 2012, for a while. But as said in the start of this post, the game is old, and even the mod cant fix that. The player base is dwindling and there are so many more interesting games out there to play rather then sticking with the static universe of FL.

I also recently got a new processor, and I do not want to go trough the hell of downloading FL, getting it to work, getting global list to work and getting the connection to void to work again. So I doubt I will play freelancer again. I had a great time with you guys thou ^^.

well w/e, that's what I have to say. Decided to post it here since I went to the site again

[Dynasty]

[quote="Cursed_One";p="232098"]I had a great time with you guys thou ^^.[/quote]

i miss tormenting you - it was the highlight of my day

[TheLaughingMan]

Happy news to everyone...
... at least noone can blame the Black Legion coz of it

Void was at my heart till the progress n Rimshot left us. Bring back the old stuff and reverse engineering is not science fiction. Many player can't adapt to the changes here and in fact this is an old game too. I wish to play but i wont start all over again here.(yes i done some trading exploring n char rebuilding but bored to death. Hate trading in AT. I want Soverign back. All the variety of guns and almost everything that the 2115 has. Char wipe was the worst decision has been made. Im sure many of the players who wanted this series of mod back was just nostalgic and there is a signature
"The Void: turning a blind eye to cheating to preserve player numbers." was a really bad idea to do with this place.

[ItisI]

Dear Virt,

As you know I respect you a lot. However, i cannot agree with your post...  

[quote="TheLaughingMan";p="232101"]Happy news to everyone...
... at least noone can blame the Black Legion coz of it [/quote]

No one did and no one will. TA was created as navy clan and one of their goals was to shoot down BL. Frankly, it is a pity that BL is not there since we cannot hunt them/be hunted by them at present..

[quote="TheLaughingMan";p="232101"] Void was at my heart till the progress n Rimshot left us. Bring back the old stuff and reverse engineering is not science fiction. Many player can't adapt to the changes here and in fact this is an old game too. I wish to play but i wont start all over again here.(yes i done some trading exploring n char rebuilding but bored to death. Hate trading in AT. I want Soverign back.[/quote]

I dont think you have to start over in a dagger. Many old players who started over (including me) are willing to help other 'oldies' who found back void. You only have to contact me in game and i'll help you.

[quote="TheLaughingMan";p="232101"] All the variety of guns and almost everything that the 2115 has. Char wipe was the worst decision has been made.[/quote]

That decision has been made. Live with it and deal with it. Complaining about it doesn't change a thing.

[quote="TheLaughingMan";p="232101"] Im sure many of the players who wanted this series of mod back was just nostalgic and there is a signature
"The Void: turning a blind eye to cheating to preserve player numbers." was a really bad idea to do with this place.[/quote]

Can you show any proof? So far i have only seen one person pointing a finger, and this has been investigated. The admins checked it and there was/is no real proof. As a matter of fact, i'm getting rather bored by this argument...

Even IF this person cheated, stop using this argument as reason why you stopped playing. This is just behaving like a little kid who did not get her candy...

M8, i ask you, bury the axe and come back to enjoy the game as we did in the past... there is no reason to start this fight and no one of us will gain anything from it.

[zyraxes]

TheLaughingMan wrote :
Im sure many of the players who wanted this series of mod back was just nostalgic and there is a signature
"The Void: turning a blind eye to cheating to preserve player numbers." was a really bad idea to do with this place.


Hahahahaha,server died,and you are still halucinating,accusing players for cheating ) .It's not because it's an old game,it's because of guys like you,whom instead of playing the game,always flamed on forum,accusing,insulting.And players had enough and moved out.Good,old players.And it is because Void never had good anticheat and there always was a fear about cheats(you always were asking if you're opponent is cheating)". Disco has about 100-150 players at evening just because there,players are playing the game,massive rp and pvp's. Your're saying that "Void turned a blind eye to cheating to preserve player numbers"??This is the most stupid thing i ever heard.Everybody knows that on Disco it's impossible to cheat and still there are 100-150 players.

As i said in my previous post,before mode reverting,it is not the mode fault,it's players atitude.Antigaming.

[Asmodeus]

I'm getting sick of  "The Void as cheaters" statement, since the void 2112 came back i have had NO proof, NO Evidence of this going on here.
If this is the only Excuse players can come up with why they don't play here, well its a bit lame to say the least.
Then there is the Statement stop blaming Black Legion, well is only Black Legion that keep banging on about it.